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So, in view of the military record I would think the 1881 census posted earlier (which I discounted due to the birth reg) is probably the right one.

on my ancestry tree i have a 1911 cencus of william.

its says william charles crabtree and in 1911 he was 30 yrs old so would make his birth 1881 however i have 1878 and that he was born 12th aug. maybe that was a give or take date?? william was a mill carter.

Can Rose Ellen's birth date be confirmed by your info ?

Do you know who she married or when or where she died?

Dea x

Looking at the census, I don't think the signature is the same as on his military record. I know it's rather strange, but maybe Rose had it in her head his middle name was Charles and she completed the census? The only time he has been recorded as William Charles is the marriage and 1911 census - the birth & death are for William Henry.

Is this her death?


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about Rose Ellen Wells
Name: Rose Ellen Wells
Birth Date: 6 Aug 1909
Date of Registration: Mar 2003
Age at Death: 93
Registration district: Oxfordshire
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Register Number: C03D
District and Subdistrict: 695/1C
Entry number: 261

Dea x

Looks like it is !!

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Rose E Crabtree
Name: Rose E Crabtree
Spouse Surname: Percy W J Wells
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1930
Registration district: East Preston
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume Number: 2b
Page Number: 963

Birth dates match - we therefore have the correct ones!!!

Dea Xxx

Spot on Dea, so William Charles was actually William Henry!

Yup !!! :-D :-D

Dea Xxx

really??? so william charles (aka william henry) was martried to rose gee? (they married in 1902) just want to confirm before telling my nan

REALLY!

Also, oldest child from the 1881 census was born London - think this may be him

Joseph Richard Crabtree
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 26 Feb 1865
Father's Name: Joseph Richard Crabtree
Mother's name: Ann Crabtree
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St Matthias
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

Looking at the parish register, it is the right child - father was a gun maker which fits with later census.

The family were on 1871 census, (Joseph was 45, so a considerable variation in ages) but can't find them in 1891 but think father Joseph died in 1888. Annie was with Benjamin Read by 1901 and recorded as married, but then he was a widow in 1911 still living with step-daughter Lily (now Lamb)

According to one of the children's marriages Joseph Crabtree was deceased by Dec 1888, and there is a corresponding death in 1888 although again the age is out.