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Thanks Yvonne, they are the ones I found - although the actual church registers give dates of birth.

I/We just can't find her transit to SA, or her husbands. And we don't know where the earlier children were born either - although I don't believe in England/Wales if freebmd can be relied on.

Also, we can't find where Clara/Arthur were married, not England/Wales and Jude has checked Scotland - so were they married SA or elsewhere?? Who knows!

George Arthur Boyce
mentioned in the record of Marjory Boyce
Name: George Arthur Boyce
Gender:
Unknown
Spouse: Clara Agnes Boyce
Child: Marjory Boyce
Other information in the record of Marjory Boyce
from South Africa, Church of the Province of South Africa, Parish Registers
Name: Marjory Boyce
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 04 Oct 1925
Event Place: Transvaal, South Africa
Parent Name: George Arthur Boyce
Parent 2 Name: Clara Agnes Boyce

George Arthur Boyce
mentioned in the record of Dorothy
Name: George Arthur Boyce
Gender:
Unknown
Spouse: Clara Agnes Boyce
Child: Dorothy
Other information in the record of Dorothy
from South Africa, Church of the Province of South Africa, Parish Registers
Name: Dorothy
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 04 Oct 1925
Event Place: Transvaal, South Africa
Parent Name: George Arthur Boyce
Parent 2 Name: Clara Agnes Boyce

George Arthur Boyce
mentioned in the record of Phoebe Agnes Boyce
Name: George Arthur Boyce
Gender:
Unknown
Spouse: Clara Agnes Boyce
Child: Phoebe Agnes Boyce
Other information in the record of Phoebe Agnes Boyce
from South Africa, Church of the Province of South Africa, Parish Registers
Name: Phoebe Agnes Boyce
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 04 Oct 1925
Event Place: Transvaal, South Africa
Parent Name: George Arthur Boyce
Parent 2 Name: Clara Agnes Boyce

George Arthur Boyce
mentioned in the record of Eric
Name: George Arthur Boyce
gender:
Unknown
Spouse: Clara Agnes Boyce
Child: Eric
Other information in the record of Eric
from South Africa, Church of the Province of South Africa, Parish Registers
Name: Eric
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 04 Oct 1925
Event Place: Transvaal, South Africa
Parent Name: George Arthur Boyce
Parent 2 Name: Clara Agnes Boyce

there is a phoebe all clara's children baptised the same time 4th oct 1925


George Arthur Boyce
mentioned in the record of Edna
Name: George Arthur Boyce
Gender:
Unknown
Spouse: Clara Agnes Boyce
Child: Edna
Other information in the record of Edna
from South Africa, Church of the Province of South Africa, Parish Registers
Name: Edna
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 04 Oct 1925
Event Place: Transvaal, South Africa
Parent Name: George Arthur Boyce
Parent 2 Name: Clara Agnes Boyce

Thanks Jude, I still can't open that page!! And thanks Shirley for the possible passenger list - do you know if that couple had young Pheobie (or child) with them please?

Eric and Edna June 25th 1917...can't for the life of me interpret the address!

Jude

Thanks for checking Jude.

I think I can eliminate all the passenger lists so far, Family search has the christenings of 5 children in Transvaal 4/10/1925. The oldest is Phoebe Agnes, born 3/7/1909 then Dorothy 23/12/11, Marjory 19/5/15. Eric & Edna are on the next page in the register but it won't open at the moment as the internet is playing up as usual.

Father George Arthur Boyce was a miner, mother Clara Agnes Boyce. They lived 18 Scott Street, Jeppis S???

THere's not a Boyce/Henderson marriage to match on Scotlands People but there is a George to Agnes Johnson

Is this possible he travelled with a Mrs Boyce


First name(s) GEORGE
Last name BOYCE
Gender Male
Marital status M
Occupation MECHANIC
Departure year 1909
Departure day 14
Departure month 8
Departure port LIVERPOOL
Destination port NEW YORK
Destination NEW YORK
Country United States
Destination country United States
Ship name MAURETANIA
Ship official number 124093
Ship master's first name J
Ship master's last name PRITCHARD
Shipping line CUNARD
City LIVERPOOL
Ship destination port NEW YORK
Ship destination country USA
Ship square feet 16698
Ship registered tonnage 8947
Number of passengers 1440
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States
Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd

Maybe they went to S A from the USA l

Yes, it looks promising, so if the Geni tree is correct she must have married between 5/9/13 and the birth of first child (Marjorie) 19/5/1915 (born in SA). Tree states married England, but then again it has her husband born 16/11/1872 in Edinburgh, England. I'm thinking they may have married in Scotland.

Any sign of another outbound between 1913 & 1915 please?

Jacqueline's posting - seems to be alone

But occupation tallies nicely with the Melbourne incoming in 1913

Jude

Thanks Jacqueline, that's a good possibility - I can't find a Boyce/Henderson marriage in England/Wales. Would also explain why she doesn't appear on the 1911 census. Was she travelling alone please?

I've found confirmation of the years of death for both Clara & George from SA archives, but no other details.

This is the only possible emigration, if she went direct to SA

First name(s) C
Last name HENDERSON
Gender Female
Marital status S
Occupation NURSE
Departure year 1911
Departure day 25
Departure month 2
Departure port SOUTHAMPTON
Destination port CAPE
Destination CAPE
Country SOUTH AFRICA
Destination country SOUTH AFRICA
Ship name ARMADALE CASTLE
Ship official number 118350
Ship master's first name J
Ship master's last name TYSON
Shipping line THE UNION-CASTLE MAIL STEAMSHIP CO. LTD.
City SOUTHAMPTON
Ship destination port SOUTH AFRICA

Just thought I'd have another look for Clara, and googling her brought up some details on geni.com.

According to the site, she was born 15/8/1881, died 5/8/31 and was married to George Arthur Boyce (16/11/1871 - 22/12/1940). There is a dob for twins born 25/6/1917 - Edna & Eric in Transvaal, SA.

I've tried to verify any of the information, but so far no luck - could someone else take a look please?

Sorry Dea, I haven't got Clara's bc, just her mothers & brother Maurice (my ggdad)

Just know this was her birth registration:

Births Sep 1881 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Henderson Clara Agnes Ulverston 8e 764

What is Clara's date of birth please from the cert?

Dea x

I know records are being added to all the time, so could anyone check if there is any sign of her on GR or FMP - I've already done another check on Ancestry and Family Search but found nothing.

According to her brother Mauice, she definitely went to South Africa, but have had no luck so far in finding a UK marriage for her or a passage to SA under her maiden name. Maurice's son Leslie passed on this information before he died.

There were other family connections with SA because Maurice's wife's (Dora Kendall) sister Fanny Wilkinson, died in 1935 whilst her husband was in SA - he was a miner. Dora and Fanny's father Thomas Kendall was also a miner in SA, he died in Ulverston, Lancashire in 1905. But I have no way of knowing if any of this is relevant or connected.

Thanks for checking Catherine, not very conclusive unfortunately. I'm really not sure about that passage as there was no connection to Australia that I know of.