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I need help please,I must be missing something.
I have this marriage.. Hannah Edgerley married William Llewellyn Johns 19.11.1857 at West Derby in Lancs.
Her father was Thomas Edgerley and his was William Johns.
They had 2 children before the 1861 census ,William in 1859 and Thomas in 1860.
I have Hannah and the children on the 1861 living with Hannah's father in Everton.No sign of her husband.She is recorded as 'daughter' on the census I have.
I know there was another child born in 1863(Charles) so where was her husband in 1861?
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I can't find any of them on any census after this, until the son William turned up in London in 1882!
Help appreciated please

Hannah remarried???

??

1881 England Census
about Thomas Geeson
Name: Thomas Geeson
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Hannah Geeson
Gender: Male
Where born: Everton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: North Meols
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 94 Hall St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Butchers Assistant

Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: North Meols
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3749
Folio: 7
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Hannah Geeson 49
Thomas Geeson 21
William C. Geeson 17
Annie E. Geeson 16

Can you tell us when and where William was born please?
Jan

PricklyHolly
Thank you.
I did wonder if she was a widow in 1861.
But the birth for the younger son Charles gives his father as William Llewellyn Johns,well it actually says Lueline,..that comes from familysearch so may not be right!

Jan.
Sorry,I have no idea as I haven't found his birth
On his marriage he was 21 so born 1836 ish

Sorry.........i have to pop out......will check back later.

Ive just checked the marriage record and it only says 'full age' for him and 18 for Hannah

Gins
Thanks.
Really he could have been born earlier then and just about anywhere
Seems odd that the family vanishes..

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
Name: Hannah Johns <<Widow
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 21 Jul 1864
Parish: Everton St Peter
Spouse's Name: William Hasseltine <<Widower
Father's Name: Thomas Edgerley <<Mercantile Traveller
Spouse Father's Name: Joseph Hasseltine<<Merchant

Wit: Thomas & Mary Brincliffe



So this is her remarrying

?? female missing

Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%)
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>>>>>Hasseltine William W Derby 8b 726
Houghton George W. Derby 8b 726
Lakey Ann W. Derby 8b 726




>>>>>Johns Hannah W. Derby 8b 7_6




London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Hannah Hasseltino (widow)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Age: 40
Spouse Name: Jules Bourgaise (bachelor)
Spouse Age: 46
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Aug 1880
Parish: St Pancras Parish Chapel
Borough: Camden
>>>>>Father Name: Thomas Edgerley decd (Gentleman)
Spouse Father Name: Lucien Bourgaise
Register Type: Parish Register

1881

RG number: RG11
Piece: 3626
Folio: 55
Page: 8
Reg. District: Liverpool
Sub District: Mount Pleasant
Parish: Liverpool
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 73, Upp Parliament St, Liverpool
County: Lancashire


BOURGEOISE, Jules Head Married M 47 1834 Retired Merchant
France
BOURGEOISE, Hannah Wife Married F 42 1839
Over, Cheshire
HASSELTINE, William Stepson Married M 22 1859 Clerk (Comm)
Liverpool, Lancashire
BLOCHWITZ, Max Visitor Married M 48 1833 Cashier
Chamnitz, Saxony
BLOCHWITZ, Fanny Visitor Single F 29 1852
Liverpool, Lancashire
BLOCHWITZ, Fanny Visitor Single F 4 1877
Birkenhead, Cheshire
BLOCHWITZ, Ida Visitor Single F 2 1879
Birkenhead, Cheshire
THOMAS, Leah Servant Single F 24 1857 Cook
Prestatyn, Flintshire, Wales
THOMAS, Eliz Servant Single F 20 1861 Housemaid
Prestatyn, Flintshire, Wales

Gins and Choccy
That is brillliant. So William must have died after the son Charles was born.
That explains why I couldn't see them anywhere.
I had always wondered why the son William 1859 was in London when he married,but this is probably why.
Thank you so much for your help
Jan

Choccy
The stepson William must have been given the wrong name on the 1881 census and really be William Johns.
I had not been able to find him,but knew he had to be somewhere as he married in 1882.
Thank you
Jan

1891

RG number RG12
Piece: 2979
Folio: 7
Page: 8
Reg. District: West Derby
Sub District: Walton
Parish: Walton on the Hill
Enum. District: 48
Ecclesiastical District: St Marys
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 118, Stuart Road, Walton On The Hill
County: Lancashire



JOHNS, W H Hasseltine Head Married M 33 1858 Ships Steward
Liverpool, Lancashire
JOHNS, Sarah H Hasseltine Wife Married F 21 1870
Liverpool, Lancashire
JOHNS, Charles H Hasseltine Son M 3 1888
Little Woolton, Lancashire
HOLLAND, Eveline Mother In Law Widow F 65 1826 Living On Her Own Means
America

Ive checked other Everton marriages and have found two. Thomas & Elizabeth Johns, both have the father William

I was wondering?


1851 England Census
about William Johns
Name: William Johns
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Johns
Mother's Name: Ann Johns
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Crowan, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Germoe
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Helston
Sub-registration district: St Keverne
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 53
Piece: 1913
Folio: 394
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
William Johns 57
Ann Johns 47
William Johns 30
Henry Johns 27
Anthony Johns 25
Edmond Johns 21
John Johns 18
Elizabeth Johns 16
George Johns 13
Thomas Johns 10
Robert Johns 4
John Johns 47

The men appear to be miners. On the marriage record for William & Hannah, I cant tell if the occupations are miner or mariner?

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Hannah Bourgoise
Probate Date: 12 Dec 1887
Death Date: 5 Jun 1887
Death Place: France
Registry: Principal Registry

late of 49 Rue Galilee, Paris, died at 49 Rue Galilee
Administration to William Henry Johns of Wood Lane, Gateacre, Liverpool, Nurseryman, son and one of the next of kin

Choccy
Thanks for the 1891
Jan

Gins
That's interesting.. William ,the 1859 one, moved to Devon and then he died in Cornwall.So there was a connection there.
Choccy
Thanks for the Hannnah probate
Jan

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Jules Edouard Bourgoise
Probate Date: 10 Jan 1888
Death Date: 18 Aug 1886
Death Place: Neuilly-Sur-Seine, France

Administration (with Will and 7 Codicils) granted to Hannah Bourgeoise, Widow, the Residuary legatee for life

died at 98 Boulevard Maillot, Neuilly Sur Seine, Paris

Estate £17,903 6s 0d.

I think that family are still in Cornwall in 1861, so may be a red herring :-(