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LadyKira
Thank you.Looks like he was discharged then,

Merchant Navy Seamen 1835-1941



Last name:Johns
First names:William
Age:27
Year of birth:1829
Place of birth:Swansea
County/country of birth:Glamorganshire
Card type:Discharge number:Identity certificate no.:Series:BT116Date range:1853-1857Piece number:49Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd

You're welcome, I like a challenge!

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Gins
That is really brilliant.Didn't think anyone would ever find him
His name sounded Welsh but you can never be sure !.
He could have died at sea.
Thank you very much for all your help
Jan

UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927
Name: Williams Llewellyn Johns
Estimated Age: 21
Birth Date: 5 Nov 1830
Birth Place: Jwantex, Glamorgan
Issue Date: 13 Jul 1851
Issue Port: Bristol
Certificate Number: 42.226


I wonder if he died at sea?

His sister

County Glamorganshire
Place Swansea
Church St John
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 05 May 1835
Forename Elizabeth
Sex F
FatherForename William
MotherForename Jane
FatherSurname JOHNS
MotherSurname
Abode Pottery Lane
FatherOccupation Captain
FileNumber 21348

Finally!


UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927
Name: William Llewellyn Johns
Estimated Age: 26
Birth Date: 1830
Birth Place: Swansea, Claumorgan
Issue Date: 11 Aug 1856
Issue Port: Liverpool
Certificate Number: 39.412

1841 Wales Census
Name: William Johns
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Swansea
Hundred: Swansea Borough
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Swansea
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1426
Book: 6
Folio: 44
Page Number: 36
Household Members: Name Name
Williams Johns 35
Jane Johns 35
William Johns 10
Martha Johns 7
Elizabeth Johns 4
Joseph Johns 3
Thomas Johns 1

This family seem to travel around a lot. William(father) is a master mariner on the censuses, which fits with the marriage occupations

Choccy
Thank you for the death/probate of the husband.
Gins
That's a shame!
I don't know what part of Cornwall William died.Might just be a coincidence that he retired there.
I know he lived in Plymouth for a time.

I think that family are still in Cornwall in 1861, so may be a red herring :-(

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Jules Edouard Bourgoise
Probate Date: 10 Jan 1888
Death Date: 18 Aug 1886
Death Place: Neuilly-Sur-Seine, France

Administration (with Will and 7 Codicils) granted to Hannah Bourgeoise, Widow, the Residuary legatee for life

died at 98 Boulevard Maillot, Neuilly Sur Seine, Paris

Estate £17,903 6s 0d.

Gins
That's interesting.. William ,the 1859 one, moved to Devon and then he died in Cornwall.So there was a connection there.
Choccy
Thanks for the Hannnah probate
Jan

Choccy
Thanks for the 1891
Jan

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Hannah Bourgoise
Probate Date: 12 Dec 1887
Death Date: 5 Jun 1887
Death Place: France
Registry: Principal Registry

late of 49 Rue Galilee, Paris, died at 49 Rue Galilee
Administration to William Henry Johns of Wood Lane, Gateacre, Liverpool, Nurseryman, son and one of the next of kin

Ive checked other Everton marriages and have found two. Thomas & Elizabeth Johns, both have the father William

I was wondering?


1851 England Census
about William Johns
Name: William Johns
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Johns
Mother's Name: Ann Johns
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Crowan, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Germoe
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Helston
Sub-registration district: St Keverne
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 53
Piece: 1913
Folio: 394
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
William Johns 57
Ann Johns 47
William Johns 30
Henry Johns 27
Anthony Johns 25
Edmond Johns 21
John Johns 18
Elizabeth Johns 16
George Johns 13
Thomas Johns 10
Robert Johns 4
John Johns 47

The men appear to be miners. On the marriage record for William & Hannah, I cant tell if the occupations are miner or mariner?

1891

RG number RG12
Piece: 2979
Folio: 7
Page: 8
Reg. District: West Derby
Sub District: Walton
Parish: Walton on the Hill
Enum. District: 48
Ecclesiastical District: St Marys
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 118, Stuart Road, Walton On The Hill
County: Lancashire



JOHNS, W H Hasseltine Head Married M 33 1858 Ships Steward
Liverpool, Lancashire
JOHNS, Sarah H Hasseltine Wife Married F 21 1870
Liverpool, Lancashire
JOHNS, Charles H Hasseltine Son M 3 1888
Little Woolton, Lancashire
HOLLAND, Eveline Mother In Law Widow F 65 1826 Living On Her Own Means
America

Choccy
The stepson William must have been given the wrong name on the 1881 census and really be William Johns.
I had not been able to find him,but knew he had to be somewhere as he married in 1882.
Thank you
Jan

Gins and Choccy
That is brillliant. So William must have died after the son Charles was born.
That explains why I couldn't see them anywhere.
I had always wondered why the son William 1859 was in London when he married,but this is probably why.
Thank you so much for your help
Jan

1881

RG number: RG11
Piece: 3626
Folio: 55
Page: 8
Reg. District: Liverpool
Sub District: Mount Pleasant
Parish: Liverpool
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 73, Upp Parliament St, Liverpool
County: Lancashire


BOURGEOISE, Jules Head Married M 47 1834 Retired Merchant
France
BOURGEOISE, Hannah Wife Married F 42 1839
Over, Cheshire
HASSELTINE, William Stepson Married M 22 1859 Clerk (Comm)
Liverpool, Lancashire
BLOCHWITZ, Max Visitor Married M 48 1833 Cashier
Chamnitz, Saxony
BLOCHWITZ, Fanny Visitor Single F 29 1852
Liverpool, Lancashire
BLOCHWITZ, Fanny Visitor Single F 4 1877
Birkenhead, Cheshire
BLOCHWITZ, Ida Visitor Single F 2 1879
Birkenhead, Cheshire
THOMAS, Leah Servant Single F 24 1857 Cook
Prestatyn, Flintshire, Wales
THOMAS, Eliz Servant Single F 20 1861 Housemaid
Prestatyn, Flintshire, Wales

?? female missing

Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%)
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>>>>>Hasseltine William W Derby 8b 726
Houghton George W. Derby 8b 726
Lakey Ann W. Derby 8b 726




>>>>>Johns Hannah W. Derby 8b 7_6




London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Hannah Hasseltino (widow)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Age: 40
Spouse Name: Jules Bourgaise (bachelor)
Spouse Age: 46
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Aug 1880
Parish: St Pancras Parish Chapel
Borough: Camden
>>>>>Father Name: Thomas Edgerley decd (Gentleman)
Spouse Father Name: Lucien Bourgaise
Register Type: Parish Register

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
Name: Hannah Johns <<Widow
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 21 Jul 1864
Parish: Everton St Peter
Spouse's Name: William Hasseltine <<Widower
Father's Name: Thomas Edgerley <<Mercantile Traveller
Spouse Father's Name: Joseph Hasseltine<<Merchant

Wit: Thomas & Mary Brincliffe



So this is her remarrying