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Elaine
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18 Dec 2012 04:58 |
WHY can't I find James WEBB in AUSTRALIA on the ship MALABAR 1819. Lost him after 1923 when he got his ticket of leave. He then was released to his wife Grace who was then living on Kent street NSW in 1823. PLEASE HELP
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Penny
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18 Dec 2012 05:51 |
Your dates are all over the place!
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Lorraine
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18 Dec 2012 06:55 |
Hi Elaine...James is still on the General Muster for 1828... haven't found anything else at present...
kind regards, Lorraine in sunny Cairns.
Penny, Elaine only made a mistake with the year...1923 instead of 1823..
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BeverleyW
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18 Dec 2012 07:31 |
Either of these could be him
New South Wales deaths: V18311548 15/1831 WEBB JAMES AGE 53 V18351789 19/1835 WEBB JAMES AGE 46
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Gee
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18 Dec 2012 09:16 |
Hi Elaine
Do you have a year of birth for James and parents?
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BeverleyW
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18 Dec 2012 19:02 |
James Webb, one of 170 convicts transported on the Malabar, 14 June 1819 Name, Aliases & Gender Name: James Webb Aliases: none Gender: m
Birth, Occupation & Death Date of Birth: 1774 Occupation: Labourer Date of Death: 1831 Age: 57 years
Sentenced to Life Crime: Stealing a horse & saddle Convicted at: Berks Assizes Sentence term: Life Ship: Malabar Departure date: 14th June, 1819 Arrival date*: 14th February, 1820 Place of arrival New South Wales Passenger manifest Travelled with 169 other convicts
http://www.convictrecords.com.au/convicts/webb/james/67759
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alviegal
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18 Dec 2012 20:46 |
Could this be him? Explains why you can't find him.
First Family Member Details Surname: WEBB Given Name(s): JAMES Occupation(s): SAWYER
Birth Details Birth County, Region, Province: WILTSHIRE Birth Country: ENGLAND Birth Date: 1779
Death Details Death Town: SYDNEY Death State/Territory: NSW Death Country: AUSTRALIA Death Date: 1831
Immigration Details Air/Port Landed: SYDNEY Ship/Plane: MACABAR 1 Year Arrived: 1819 Surname: SKIPPAGER ? Given Name(s): GRACE
Birth Details Birth County, Region, Province: WILTSHIRE Birth Country: ENGLAND Birth Date: 1780
Death Details Death Town: SYDNEY Death State/Territory: NSW Death Country: AUSTRALIA Death Date: 1830
Immigration Details Air/Port Landed: SYDNEY Ship/Plane: JUPITER Year Arrived: 1823
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alviegal
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18 Dec 2012 20:52 |
According to this, he was a sawyer from Wilts.
New South Wales, Australia, Tickets of Leave, 1824-1867 about James Webb Name: James Webb Birth Year: 1779 Origin: Wilts Ticket Date: 18 Aug 1828 Immigration Year: 1819 Vessel: Malabar (1)
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Ozibird
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18 Dec 2012 21:01 |
Not sure if you're aware of all this.
http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Skippager-Family-Tree-1 It doesn't give much info on James & Grace, but there's a bit about one of their sons.
Also from familysearch.org
England, Marriages, 1538–1973 groom's name: James Webb bride's name: Grace Skippage marriage date: 12 May 1801 marriage place: Hadstock, Essex, England indexing project (batch) number: M04323-1
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Ozibird
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18 Dec 2012 21:02 |
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 name: Grace Skippage gender: Female baptism/christening date: 26 Sep 1779 baptism/christening place: HADSTOCK, ESSEX, ENGLAND father's name: John Skippage mother's name: Susanna indexing project (batch) number: C04323-1
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Ozibird
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18 Dec 2012 21:35 |
Children of James & Grace: father's name: James Webb, mother's name: Grace Skippage
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: baptism/christening place: HADSTOCK, ESSEX, ENGLAND; indexing project (batch) number: C04323-1
name: Mary Webb (This entry just has Grace with no surname for mother.) baptism/christening date: 15 Aug 1802
name: Martha Webb baptism/christening date: 25 Dec 1804
name: Elisabeth Webb baptism/christening date: 21 Jun 1807
name: Anne Webb baptism/christening date: 06 Aug 1809
name: John Webb baptism/christening date: 26 Jul 1812
Also before the marriage, no father's name. name: Charles Skippage baptism/christening date: 25 Nov 1798 baptism/christening place: HADSTOCK, ESSEX, ENGLAND mother's name: Grace Skippage
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Ozibird
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18 Dec 2012 21:35 |
England, Marriages, 1538–1973 groom's name: John Skippage bride's name: Susan Bright marriage date: 12 Oct 1778 marriage place: Hadstock, Essex, England indexing project (batch) number: M04323-1
Siblings of Grace: father's name: John Skippage, mother's name: Susanna
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: baptism/christening place: HADSTOCK, ESSEX, ENGLAND; indexing project (batch) number: C04323-1
name: Sarah Skippage baptism/christening date: 11 Mar 1781
name: Susanna Skippage baptism/christening date: 06 Feb 1785
name: John Skippage baptism/christening date: 18 Feb 1787
name: Martha Skippage baptism/christening date: 23 Apr 1789
name: Esther Skippage baptism/christening date: 18 Sep 1796
name: Mary Bright Skippage baptism/christening date: 02 Feb 1794
name: Anne Skippage baptism/christening date: 15 Jul 1798 death date: 02 Jul 1799
name: Anne Skippage baptism/christening date: 13 Jul 1800
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Ozibird
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18 Dec 2012 21:58 |
Only posting this because he was tried at the Berkshire Assizes.
name: James Webb baptism/christening date: 21 Mar 1779 baptism/christening place: APPLEFORD, BERKSHIRE, ENGLAND father's name: Joseph Webb mother's name: Anne indexing project (batch) number: C03647-1
and then there's this one which is only 12 miles from Hadstock.
name: James Webb baptism/christening date: 17 Feb 1779 baptism/christening place: STETCHWORTH, CAMBRIDGE, ENGLAND father's name: John Webb mother's name: Mary indexing project (batch) number: C13832-1
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Ozibird
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18 Dec 2012 22:08 |
Also there is this one, but I'm pretty sure he's on the 1851 census.
name: James Webb baptism/christening date: 06 Jan 1778 baptism/christening place: BROMHAM, WILTSHIRE, ENGLAND father's name: George Webb mother's name: Joyce indexing project (batch) number: C05432-1
England, Marriages, 1538–1973 James Webb marriage: 1813 Broughton Gifford, Wiltshire, England spouse: Mary Coollett
1851: Jas Webb; Mary; abt 1779; Melksham, Wiltshire, England; Head; Broughton Gifford, Wiltshire Melksham is 5 miles from Bromham.
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Chris Ho :)
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19 Dec 2012 13:57 |
Baptism (Find My Past)
Day:17 Month:Feb Year:1779 Forenames:James Surname:Webb Relationship:son of Father forenames:John Fathers occupation:blacksmith Mother forenames:Mary Birth Day: Birth Month: Birth Year: Abode: Place:Stetchworth County:Cambridgeshire Data provider:Cambridgeshire Family History Society
(from Ozi's posting, adding above)
Chris :)
http://genforum.genealogy.com/skippage/messages/2.html
(bit more Skippage on above)
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Elaine
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21 Dec 2012 23:34 |
We have proved conclusively that our James Webb, our convict, did not marry Grace Skippage. So we are going back and are researching the James born to George and Joyce Webb the very same you have come up with. However his birth year of 1779 Bromham, Wiltshire, given on his ticket of leave, does not tally with his burial cerificate which gives his age of 53 when he was buried on 14th April 1831 in NSW. We are looking at this angle at the moment. There is a baptism Jan 6 1778 (should that be 1778) That baptism could be our James. a worn 8 can look like a nine. Thanking everyone for your input to date.
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Elaine
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21 Dec 2012 23:42 |
and then there's this one which is only 12 miles from Hadstock.
name: James Webb baptism/christening date: 17 Feb 1779 baptism/christening place: STETCHWORTH, CAMBRIDGE, ENGLAND father's name: John Webb mother's name: Mary indexing project (batch) number: C13832-1
Have cut and pasted this report from you Ozibird. I find this particularly interesting as John and Mary feature in our family. along with Thomas, James and Robert. These names are what I look for when researching. George and Joyce have never figured in names in our family history. I have a gut feeling you have hit pay dirt here.
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Elaine
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21 Dec 2012 23:53 |
Chris Ho Just seen that posting you have added to. His dad was a blacksmith. Oh dear. probably not our James, mind you our James did steal a horse. He has been noted as a sawyer or labourer. Was this James a convict?
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Chris Ho :)
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22 Dec 2012 07:39 |
Not really sure Elaine, Stetchworth, not far from Newmarket, Suffolk. But not seeing a lot...
Chris :)
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BeverleyW
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22 Dec 2012 07:55 |
Birth, Occupation & Death Date of Birth: 1774 <<<<<<<< Occupation: Labourer Date of Death: 1831 Age: 57 years
Sentenced to Life Crime: Stealing a horse & saddle Convicted at: Berks Assizes
This is presumably where the d.o.b. came from, calculating backwards. However the age at death is only accurate if the person reporting the death had good information.
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