Find Ancestors

Occupation of Charles, on Baptisms, as Groom. (Charles Edwin 1852, Emma Sarah 1854 both Plymouth)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

(above has 1859 St. Pancras Burial, credits needed to view)

Chris :)

1861 ?
IRELAND, Emma Head Married F 35 1826 Laundress
Plymouth, Devon
IRELAND, Emma Daughter F 6 1855 Scholar
Plymouth, Devon
Piece: 1440
Folio: 37
Page: 12
Registration District: Plymouth
Civil Parish: St Andrew
Municipal Borough: Plymouth
Address: 7, Queens Cottages, St Andrew, Plymouth
County: Devonshire


Births Mar 1855 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------
Ireland Emma Sarah Plymouth 5b 255

(born 4th Dec. 1854)

Chris

Thanks for that, will check out deceased online. Forgot about that site. I have a few other burials on there I want to check actually.

Yeah that is Emma and her daughter in 1861, was harder to find them the next census until I realized she remarried and Emma her daughter took the Webber surname, although still used the Ireland name later on.

Is it possible for him to change from a groom to a baker back. To a groom, do you think?

As the baptism for the two children in London I was thinking are their's his occupation is a baker. It seems likely it is them because Charles Edwin's the sons death was in London, but maybe it isn't.

Baptism
Forename(s):Charles Edwin
Surname:Ireland
Year:1852
Month:Jun
Day:27
Father's Forename:Charles (Groom)
Mother's Forename:Emma
Mother's Surname:
Birth Day:23
Birth Month:May
Birth Year:1852
St. Andrew
Plymouth

Deaths Dec 1857 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------------
Ireland Charles Edwin Chelsea 1a 89


Births Sep 1851 (>99%) (Born 26th Aug 1851) (Baker)
-------------------------------------------------
Ireland Emma St Saviour's 4 541

(also Baptism for Sarah, St. Saviour's. Born 1st April 1853) (Baker)


(would think Charles was working as a Groom, Chelsea area perhaps?, not sure about others, you would need Birth Certs.)

Chris :)

1851
IRELAND, Charles Head Married M 34 1817 Baker
Walthamstow, Essex
IRELAND, Emma Wife Married F 21 1830 Bakers Wife
Christchurch, Surrey
LANGRIDGE, Francis Servant Unmarried F 17 1834 House Servant
Seven Oaks, Kent
JUDD, William Servant Unmarried M 24 1827 Journeyman Baker
Kennington, Surrey
Piece: 1557
Folio: 381
Page: 54
Registration District: Saint Saviour
Civil Parish: Christchurch
Municipal Borough: Southwark
Address: 33, Little Charlotte Street, Christchurch, Southwark
County: Surrey

(would say St. Saviour's Baptisms belong to above)

Ah yes thanks, so I can rule those two children out as belonging to my Charles and Emma.

Weird then that Charles may of been in London with the young boy without Emma so it seems, unless she returned to plymouth before 1861 after losing her son and husband, they must of moved there after 1851 as they were in Plymouth still in that census.

Perhaps they were in London with family. As several of her siblings families ended up in London .

Ah yes thanks, so I can rule those two children out as belonging to my Charles and Emma.

Weird then that Charles may of been in London with the young boy without Emma so it seems, unless she returned to plymouth before 1861 after losing her son and husband, they must of moved there after 1851 as they were in Plymouth still in that census.

Perhaps they were in London with family. As several of her siblings families ended up in London .

There is also this one.

Baptism / 23rd Nov 1825
Charles Ireland.
Father - James
Mother- Elizabeth
Fathers Occ - Maltster.
Add/ Late Pratts
Parish, Bradninch, Devon

I think I see that one in the 1841 census too, so don't think that is him. I am wondering if the 1830 baptism might be him, perhaps he was baptised a few years after birth. I will wait and see what the marriage reveals.