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Charles Ireland - Plymouth

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CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 24 Apr 2013 02:04

I think I see that one in the 1841 census too, so don't think that is him. I am wondering if the 1830 baptism might be him, perhaps he was baptised a few years after birth. I will wait and see what the marriage reveals.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

Liam

Liam Report 24 Apr 2013 01:49

There is also this one.

Baptism / 23rd Nov 1825
Charles Ireland.
Father - James
Mother- Elizabeth
Fathers Occ - Maltster.
Add/ Late Pratts
Parish, Bradninch, Devon

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 23 Apr 2013 17:44

Ah yes thanks, so I can rule those two children out as belonging to my Charles and Emma.

Weird then that Charles may of been in London with the young boy without Emma so it seems, unless she returned to plymouth before 1861 after losing her son and husband, they must of moved there after 1851 as they were in Plymouth still in that census.

Perhaps they were in London with family. As several of her siblings families ended up in London .

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 23 Apr 2013 17:43

Ah yes thanks, so I can rule those two children out as belonging to my Charles and Emma.

Weird then that Charles may of been in London with the young boy without Emma so it seems, unless she returned to plymouth before 1861 after losing her son and husband, they must of moved there after 1851 as they were in Plymouth still in that census.

Perhaps they were in London with family. As several of her siblings families ended up in London .

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 23 Apr 2013 16:47

Baptism
Forename(s):Charles Edwin
Surname:Ireland
Year:1852
Month:Jun
Day:27
Father's Forename:Charles (Groom)
Mother's Forename:Emma
Mother's Surname:
Birth Day:23
Birth Month:May
Birth Year:1852
St. Andrew
Plymouth

Deaths Dec 1857 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------------
Ireland Charles Edwin Chelsea 1a 89


Births Sep 1851 (>99%) (Born 26th Aug 1851) (Baker)
-------------------------------------------------
Ireland Emma St Saviour's 4 541

(also Baptism for Sarah, St. Saviour's. Born 1st April 1853) (Baker)


(would think Charles was working as a Groom, Chelsea area perhaps?, not sure about others, you would need Birth Certs.)

Chris :)

1851
IRELAND, Charles Head Married M 34 1817 Baker
Walthamstow, Essex
IRELAND, Emma Wife Married F 21 1830 Bakers Wife
Christchurch, Surrey
LANGRIDGE, Francis Servant Unmarried F 17 1834 House Servant
Seven Oaks, Kent
JUDD, William Servant Unmarried M 24 1827 Journeyman Baker
Kennington, Surrey
Piece: 1557
Folio: 381
Page: 54
Registration District: Saint Saviour
Civil Parish: Christchurch
Municipal Borough: Southwark
Address: 33, Little Charlotte Street, Christchurch, Southwark
County: Surrey

(would say St. Saviour's Baptisms belong to above)

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 23 Apr 2013 16:17

Is it possible for him to change from a groom to a baker back. To a groom, do you think?

As the baptism for the two children in London I was thinking are their's his occupation is a baker. It seems likely it is them because Charles Edwin's the sons death was in London, but maybe it isn't.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 23 Apr 2013 16:12

Chris

Thanks for that, will check out deceased online. Forgot about that site. I have a few other burials on there I want to check actually.

Yeah that is Emma and her daughter in 1861, was harder to find them the next census until I realized she remarried and Emma her daughter took the Webber surname, although still used the Ireland name later on.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 23 Apr 2013 07:53

Occupation of Charles, on Baptisms, as Groom. (Charles Edwin 1852, Emma Sarah 1854 both Plymouth)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

(above has 1859 St. Pancras Burial, credits needed to view)

Chris :)

1861 ?
IRELAND, Emma Head Married F 35 1826 Laundress
Plymouth, Devon
IRELAND, Emma Daughter F 6 1855 Scholar
Plymouth, Devon
Piece: 1440
Folio: 37
Page: 12
Registration District: Plymouth
Civil Parish: St Andrew
Municipal Borough: Plymouth
Address: 7, Queens Cottages, St Andrew, Plymouth
County: Devonshire


Births Mar 1855 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------
Ireland Emma Sarah Plymouth 5b 255

(born 4th Dec. 1854)

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 23 Apr 2013 05:17

Looks like they lost two daughters too

Emma born 1851 in London and died 1851 same quarter and then Sarah born 1853 in London and died 1854.

Would explain the naming of their daughter in 1855 in Plymouth as Emma Sarah .

The only strange part is if they returned to Plymouth, why did Charles end up back in London. Unless of course Emma returned to Plymouth on her own when pregnant with Emma Sarah.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 23 Apr 2013 04:59

I would at a guess say the death in 1859 in Pancras is Charles Ireland senior, as it is the only one in London at the right time. Will add both death certs to my list to order.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 23 Apr 2013 04:57

Looks like their son Charles Edwin died in Chelsea in 1857.

Emma was perhaps visiting her brother, although she is still in Plymouth in 1861 and Charles her husband is gone. So perhaps both her husband and son died and she went back to Plymouth with their daughter. That must of been very tough.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 23 Apr 2013 04:51

Oh thank you Liam. That must be their son, as Emma's father is Edward and her brother Edwin. I don't see him in later census though, so perhaps he died young.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

Liam

Liam Report 23 Apr 2013 01:52

possible connection.

Birth, 23rd May 1852.
Charles Edwin Ireland.
Baptism ,27th June 1852.
Father- Charles
Mother- Emma.
St Andrews,Plymouth

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 23 Apr 2013 00:27

I haven't got the marriage certificate yet, that is my next thing to do.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

Vicci

Vicci Report 22 Apr 2013 23:46

Yealmpton
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Yealmpton/index.html

Researching:
Lashmore, Lines, Smith, Reilly, Mendus

Vicci

Vicci Report 22 Apr 2013 23:23

on his marriage certificate to Emma is his father's name mentioned?
witnesses names?

Researching:
Lashmore, Lines, Smith, Reilly, Mendus

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 22 Apr 2013 23:20

Thanks everyone for all your help. It doesn't look like the baptism is him, but then the Sarah Ireland in 1841 might not be his mother, who knows, what does it mean by dedication: yealmpton?

I take it the date is for baptism and not birth?

I will wait for marriage certificate and see what information that gives to his father. Will hopefully give me some more info to work from.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

Vicci

Vicci Report 22 Apr 2013 23:01

Emma remarried in Plymouth 1864

so he must have died before then

Deaths Mar 1861 (>99%)
>>Ireland Charles Newton A. 5b 99
Ireland Charles Edward Sclater Exeter 5b 69

Researching:
Lashmore, Lines, Smith, Reilly, Mendus

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 22 Apr 2013 22:14

Name: Charles Ireland
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Birthplace: Plymouth, Devonshire
Relationship to Head of Household: Son-In-Law
Schedule Type: Household

Researching:
Breakspears of Berkshire and Cardiff, Williams and Harman of Whitchurch, Melingriffith &Tongwynlais,Glamorgan WE HAVE NO CONNECTION Do not share your tree with me

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 22 Apr 2013 21:16

think I've gone mad!!! sorry about that :-D :-D :-D

Researching:
Breakspears of Berkshire and Cardiff, Williams and Harman of Whitchurch, Melingriffith &Tongwynlais,Glamorgan WE HAVE NO CONNECTION Do not share your tree with me

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