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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	16 May 2013 12:33
	England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Cordelia Large Name: Cordelia Large Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1883 Registration District: Tonbridge Inferred County: Kent Volume: 2a Page: 654 England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Cordelia Large Name: Cordelia Large Spouse Name: Walter John F Kesby Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1906 Registration District: Tonbridge Inferred County: Kent Volume Number: 2a Page Number: 1664 Household transcription 1911 census Person: KESBY, Cordelia Address: 82 Vale Road Tonbridge KESBY, Walter John Frederick Head Married4 years M 27 1884 Carman Tudley Kent VIEW KESBY, Cordelia Wife Married F 27 1884 Hadlow Kent VIEW KESBY, Violet Ivy Daughter Single F 3 1908 Tonbridge Kent VIEW KESBY, Muriel Florance Daughter Single F 1 1910 Tonbridge Kent VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 4081 Reference: RG14PN4081 RG78PN157 RD50 SD2 ED8 SN70 Registration District: Tonbridge Sub District: Tonbridge Enumeration District: 8 Parish: Tonbridge Urban Address: 82 Vale Road Tonbridge County: Kent Hi Janet I have edited and added a few more details to some of my posts. Prickles.
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	16 May 2013 11:31
	I'm not seeing a Large/Brooker marriage. 1901 England Census about Frances Large Name: Frances Large Age: 58 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Mother-in-law Gender: Female Where born: Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England Civil Parish: Hadlow Ecclesiastical parish: Hadlow St Mary Town: Hadlow County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View Image Registration District: Tonbridge Sub-registration District: Tonbridge ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 3 Piece: 759 Folio: 31 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age Henry Brooker 33 Frances Brooker 25 Frances Large 58 (Widow) Thomas Bryant 54 (Boarder) 1911 England Census about Frances Large Name: Frances Large Age in 1911: 68 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Female Civil Parish: Hadlow County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address: Freehold, Hadlow Marital Status: Widowed Registration District: Tonbridge Registration District Number: 50 Sub-registration District: Tonbridge ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Household Schedule Number: 50 Piece: 4088 Household Members: Name Age Henry Brooker 43 (Brewers Labourer) Frances Brooker 35 Frances Large 68 (Widow) Thomas Bryant 70 (Boarder) England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Frances Large Name: Frances Large Birth Date: abt 1844 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1929 Age at Death: 85 Registration District: Tonbridge Inferred County: Kent Volume: 2a Page: 1015 Deaths Sep 1899 (>99%) Large William 46 Tunbridge 2a 516
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	16 May 2013 11:24
	Looking back to Alfred Ogley's second marriage to Mary Ann Payne.........it would seem then that he and his Daughter Frances had a double wedding........... Marriages Sep 1874 (>99%) LARGE William Tunbridge 2a 804 ONGLEY Alfred Tunbridge 2a 804 ONGLEY Frances Tunbridge 2a 804 Payne Mary Ann Tunbridge 2a 804 1881 England Census about Frances Large Name: Frances Large Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: William Large Gender: Female Where born: Tunbridge, Kent, England Civil Parish: Hadlow County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address: Carpenters Lane Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View Image Registration District: Tunbridge Sub-registration District: Tunbridge ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 920 Folio: 87 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age William Large 29 (Malster) Hadlow Kent Frances Large 33 Frances Large 4 Born Hadlow Kent 1891 England Census about Frances Large Name: Frances Large Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: William Large Gender: Female Civil Parish: Hadlow Ecclesiastical parish: Hadlow Town: Hadlow County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View Image Registration District: Tunbridge Sub-registration District: Tunbridge ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 682 Folio: 95 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age William Large 37 (Labourer in Brewery) Frances Large 46 Cordelia Large 7 Louisa Manser 52 George Large 23 ....(Manser) John Large 17....(Manser) William Large 15....(Manser) (The Mansers are living in the next property) Daughter Frances....... Household transcription 1891 census Person: LARGE, Frances M Address: 35, Hadlow Road, Tunbridge ANNISON, Richard W Head Married M 77 1814 Retired Grocer Paralysed Chatham, Kent VIEW ANNISON, Kezia Wife Married F 63 1828 Chelsea, Middlesex VIEW STOCKS, Mary J Niece Single F 43 1848 Dressmaker Stepney, Middlesex VIEW PARSONS, Adeline F Niece Single F 20 1871 Wetwang, Yorkshire VIEW RALPH, Olive A Servant Single F 17 1874 General Servant Hadlow, Kent VIEW LARGE, Frances M Servant Single F 14 1877 Domestic Help Hadlow, Kent VIEW Piece: 681 Folio: 67 Page: 28 Registration District: Tunbridge Civil Parish: Tunbridge Municipal Borough: Address: 35, Hadlow Road, Tunbridge County: Kent England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Frances Mary Large Name: Frances Mary Large Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1876 Registration District: Tonbridge Inferred County: Kent Volume: 2a Page: 616
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	15 May 2013 19:39
	Frederick Ongley married his step sister....... England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Frederick Ongley Name: Frederick Ongley Spouse Name: Maria Payne Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1886 Registration district: Tonbridge Inferred County: Kent Volume Number: 2a Page Number: 1006 1891 England Census about Frederick Ongley Name: Frederick Ongley Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Maria Ongley Gender: Male Where born: Chatham, Kent, England Civil parish: Tunbridge Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen Town: Tonbridge County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Tunbridge Sub-registration district: Tunbridge ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 681 Folio: 82 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age Frederick Ongley 30 (Fishmonger) Maria Ongley 28 Alfred Ongley 5 Harry Ongley 3 Mary Ann Ongley 2
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Member Since: March 2009 Posts: 48 Send Message	Janet Linda	Report	15 May 2013 19:29
Member Since: March 2009 Posts: 48 Send Message	Thank you all for the help.
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	15 May 2013 19:20
	The death of Alfred's first wife........Mary Ann Ongley nee Coe England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Mary Ann Ongley Name: Mary Ann Ongley Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1873 Age at Death: 47 Registration district: Tonbridge Inferred County: Kent Volume: 2a Page: 322
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	15 May 2013 18:38
	1841 England Census about Mary Coe Name: Mary Coe Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Gender: Female Where born: Sussex, England Civil parish: Lamberhurst Hundred: Loxfield Pelham County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street Address: Occupation: View image Registration district: Ticehurst Sub-registration district: Wadhurst Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1116 Book: 5 Folio: 28 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age Joseh Coe 50 Mary Coe 40 Mary Coe 14 Joseph Coe 11 William Coe 9 Elizabeth Coe 7 Mary Whitby 35 Eliza Whitby 15 George Whitby 14 Sarah Whitby 8 John Whitby 6 Frances Whitby 4 William Whitby 1 Jane Whitby 1 Looking at the image, the Whitby's are living in the next property. 1851 England Census about William Coe Name: William Coe Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Relation: Brother Gender: M (Male) Where born: Lamberhurst, Kent, England Civil Parish: Brenchley County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View Image Registration District: Tunbridge Sub-registration District: Tunbridge ED, institution, or vessel: 2a Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 107 Piece: 1615 Folio: 411 Page Number: 26 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Coe 26 Harriet Coe 21 Albert Coe 1 William Coe 19 (Brother) Elizabeth Coe 18 (Sister) Lavina Clifton 11 (SisterinLaw) Edmund Clifton 9 (BrotherinLaw) Marriages Mar 1849 (>99%) Clifton Harriett Tonbridge 5 521 Coe Thomas Tonbridge 5 521 Death of Parent's....... England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Joseph Coe Name: Joseph Coe Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1850 Registration District: Ticehurst Inferred County: Sussex Volume: 7 Page: 375 England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Mary Coe Name: Mary Coe Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1846 Registration District: Ticehurst Inferred County: Sussex Volume: 7 Page: 308 England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 about Joseph Coe Name: Joseph Coe Gender: Male Spouse's Name: Mary Fairman Marriage Date: 5 Nov 1821 Marriage Place: Lamberhurst, Kent, England England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Mary Coe Name: Mary Coe Gender: Female Christening Date: 2 Sep 1827 Christening Place: Lamberhurst, Kent, England Father's Name: Joseph Coe Mother's Name: Mary England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Joseph Coe Name: Joseph Coe Gender: Male Christening Date: 21 Feb 1830 Christening Place: Lamberhurst, Kent, England Father's Name: Joseph Coe Mother's Name: Mary England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about William Coe Name: William Coe Gender: Male Christening Date: 27 May 1832 Christening Place: Lamberhurst, Kent, England Father's Name: Joseph Coe Mother's Name: Mary England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Elizabeth Coe Name: Elizabeth Coe Gender: Female Christening Date: 3 Oct 1834 Christening Place: Lamberhurst, Kent, England Father's Name: Joseph Coe Mother's Name: Mary
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	15 May 2013 17:14
	England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Alfred Ongley Name: Alfred Ongley Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1887 Age at Death: 62 Registration district: Tonbridge Inferred County: Kent Volume: 2a Page: 368
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	15 May 2013 17:11
	The relation in the 1851 would be Sarah Coe.......... Marriages Jun 1846 (>99%) Coe Mary Ann Tonbridge 5 628 Ongley Alfred Tonbridge 5 628
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Member Since: March 2009 Posts: 48 Send Message	Janet Linda	Report	15 May 2013 15:19
Member Since: March 2009 Posts: 48 Send Message	I did find him in the 1881, 1891 1901 and 1911,
Member Since: March 2009 Posts: 48 Send Message	Janet Linda	Report	15 May 2013 15:11
Member Since: March 2009 Posts: 48 Send Message	As far as I know the family were fish hawkers if that helps.
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	15 May 2013 15:00
	Mistranscribed.......... 1851 England Census about Alfred Angley Name: Alfred Angley Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Angley Where born: Lamberhurst Civil parish: Tonbridge Town: Tunbridge Wells County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Tunbridge Sub-registration district: Tunbridge Wells ED, institution, or vessel: 4l Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 118 Piece: 1614 Folio: 350 Page Number: 30 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Angley 27 Mary Angley 25 Lamberhurst Sussex Francis Angley 4 Tonbridge Wells Kent Sarah Angley 9 >>>>>Sarah has a different surname on the image. It looks like Cue or Coe...........She is a relation.
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	15 May 2013 14:51
	1861 England Census about Thos Ongley Name: Thos Ongley Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation: Son Father's Name: Alfred Ongley Mother's Name: Mary Ongley Gender: Male Where born: Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England Civil parish: Rochester St Margaret Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Medway Sub-registration district: Rochester ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 294 Piece: 477 Folio: 32 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Ongley 34 (Dealer) Born Lamberhurst Sussex Mary Ongley 33 Born Lamberhurst Sussex Frances Ongley 14 Thos Ongley 10 Sophia Ongley 7 William Ongley 3
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Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	15 May 2013 14:39
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Civil Registration event: Marriage Print Close Name: ONGLEY, Alfred Registration district: Tunbridge Wells County: Kent Year of registration: 1874 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 2A Page no: 804 MarriageFinder: Alfred Ongley married one of the following people: PAYNE, Mary Ann ONGLEY, Frances LARGE, William
Member Since: March 2007 Posts: 11,355 Send Message	Choccy	Report	15 May 2013 14:34
	?? the Payne connection 1881 RG number: RG11 Piece: 919 Folio: 4 Page: 2 Reg. District: Tunbridge Sub District: Tunbridge Parish: Tunbridge Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 1, See Ho, Sq High St, Tunbridge County: Kent ONGLEY, Alfred Head Married M 55 1826 Fish Dealer Brenchley, Kent ONGLEY, Mary Wife Married F 55 1826 Hadlow, Kent ONGLEY, Joseph Son Single M 17 1864 Fish Dealer Hadlow, Kent ONGLEY, Owen Son Single M 14 1867 Fish Dealer Hadlow, Kent PAYNE, Henry Son Single M 14 1867 Fish Dealer Hadlow, Kent PAYNE, Maria Single F 19 1862 Fish Cleaner Hadlow, Kent PAYNE, William Nephew Single M 9 1872 Scholar Hadlow, Kent possibly Marriages Sep 1874 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LARGE William Tunbridge 2a 804 >>>>ONGLEY Alfred Tunbridge 2a 804 ONGLEY Frances Tunbridge 2a 804 >>>>Payne Mary Ann Tunbridge 2a 804 no sign of a Richard Payne though 1871 RG number: RG10 Piece: 934 Folio: 7 Page: 7 Reg. District: Tunbridge Sub District: Tonbridge Parish: Hadlow Enum. District: 12 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Steer's Place, Hadlow County: Kent PAYNE, John Head M 50 1821 Kent PAYNE, Mary A Wife F 46 1825 Kent PAYNE, Wm Son M 19 1852 Kent PAYNE, Sarah Daughter F 16 1855 Kent PAYNE, Jane Daughter F 14 1857 Kent PAYNE, Stephen Son M 11 1860 Kent PAYNE, Mary A Daughter F 6 1865 Kent PAYNE, Henry Son M 3 1868 Kent
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	15 May 2013 14:31
	Hmm, i wonder if the witness Richard Payne's name was accidently recorded instead of the Father??
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Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	15 May 2013 14:18
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	?? Thomas in 1871 - all born Brenchley which is close to both Tonbridge and Royal Tunbridge Wells He and Alfred are both Hawkers, but it doesn't say of what and it doesn't explain the Richard Payne noted as father on MC - could that have been a mistake?? 1871 census transcription details for: Golden Green, Hadlow National Archive Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 934 Folio: 30 Page: 8 Reg. District: Tunbridge Sub District: Tonbridge Parish: Hadlow Enum. District: 13 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Golden Green, Hadlow County: Kent Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born ONGLEY, Alfred Head M 46 1825 Kent ONGLEY, Mary Wife F 44 1827 Kent ONGLEY, Thomas Son M 19 1852 Kent ONGLEY, Sophia Daughter F 16 1855 Kent ONGLEY, William Son M 13 1858 Kent ONGLEY, Frederick Son M 10 1861 Kent ONGLEY, Joseph Son M 7 1864 Kent ONGLEY, Owen Son M 3 1868 Kent (EDIT - Thomas and Charlotte's eldest son is an Alfred)
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	15 May 2013 14:17
	1901 England Census about Thomas Ongley Name: Thomas Ongley Age: 54 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Charlotte Ongley Gender: Male Where born: Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England Civil parish: Chatham Ecclesiastical parish: Chatham St Mary County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Medway Sub-registration district: Rochester and Chatham ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 21 Piece: 726 Folio: 72 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Ongley 54 (Fish Hawker) Charlotte Ongley 40 Alfred Ongley 19 (Fish Hawker) Thomas Ongley 19 Charles Ongley 13 Charlotte Ongley 12 Martha Ongley 19 (Fish Hawker) Ada Frostick 24 (Lodger)
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Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	15 May 2013 14:05
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	To show possible difference in birth year, and therefore age Age out, but amongst many others is Thomas Ongley Patient Married 45 1846 Fish Hawker b Tunbridge Wells, Kent 1891 census transcription details for: St Bartholomews Hospital, New Road, St Margaret, Rochester Print Close National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 657 Folio: 117 Page: 20 Reg. District: Medway Sub District: Rochester Parish: St Margaret Enum. District: 11 Ecclesiastical District: St Peter City/Municipal Borough: Rochester Address: St Bartholomews Hospital, New Road, St Margaret, Rochester County: Kent And Charlotte?? 1891 census transcription details for: 1, Wallison Square, Chatham National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 662 Folio: 125 Page: 2 Reg. District: Medway Sub District: Gillingham Parish: Chatham Enum. District: 25 Ecclesiastical District: St Marys City/Municipal Borough: Chatham Address: 1, Wallison Square, Chatham County: Kent Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born ONGLEY, Charlotte Head Married F 30 1861 Fish Hawker Chatham, Kent ONGLEY, Alfred Son M 10 1881 Scholar Chatham, Kent ONGLEY, Thomas Son M 7 1884 Scholar Chatham, Kent ONGLEY, Charles Son M 2 1889 Tunbridge, Kent ONGLEY, Charlotte Daughter F 1 1890 Chatham, Kent
Member Since: March 2009 Posts: 48 Send Message	Janet Linda	Report	15 May 2013 13:57
Member Since: March 2009 Posts: 48 Send Message	Richard Payne was listed as a general dealer as was Thomas Ongley.

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Thomas Ongley b 1947 Tonbridge kent