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Hi there,

I'm looking into my father-in-laws family tree for him and an having trouble getting to grips with the Irish records.

The birth I am trying to trace is for a William Thomas Fisher, I know his fathers name to be James, according to his wedding certificate. We know he was definitely born in Ireland and his birth year according to his grave stone and death record is 1890. His wedding cert however puts him at 2 years younger! We are 100% certain we have the right certificate though.

I have found the record I would like to order (it came up as a hint on 'that other website' ) however the form for applying for Irish records asks for address of place of birth (I only have a county) and mothers maiden name, which I do not know, hence me wanting the certificate. Is there anywhere I can find these details so that I can order the certificate?

I have been working my way through the links on the Irish geneology thread but I'm going round in circles getting nowhere fast!

Thanks in advance.

Would this be him ,do you know where he was born please...

..Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958
about William Thomas Fisher Name: William Thomas Fisher
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1891
Registration District: Bailieborough
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 360
FHL Film Number: 101063

There is this one but name around the other way Father named James :-)

Residents of a house 9 in Mullafernaghan (Magherally, Down)
Show all informationSurname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Fisher Mary 6 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Co Down - Cannot read - Not Married -
Fisher Sarah Female Daughter Church of Ireland Co Down - Cannot read - Not Married -
Fisher Eliza Maud 2 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Co Down - Cannot read - Not Married -
Fisher Maggie 4 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Co Down - Cannot read - Not Married -
Fisher Emily 12 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Co Down Scholar Read and write - Not Married -
Fisher James 43 Male Head of Family Church of Ireland Co Down Railway Agent Read and write - Married -
Fisher James Alexander 9 Male Son Church of Ireland Co Down Scholar Read and write - Not Married -
Fisher Robert 7 Male Son Church of Ireland Co Down Scholar Read and write - Not Married -
Fisher Thomas William 11 Male Son Church of Ireland Co Down Scholar Read and write - Not Married -
Fisher Fredrick 5 Male Son Church of Ireland Co Down - Cannot read - Not Married -
Fisher Eliza Ann 37 Female Wife Church of Ireland Co Down - Read and write - Married -

Hi, I believe that is the right record but the Irish registry require more information than I have in order to get a copy of the cert.

I have found a family in the 1901 and 1911 census in Ireland I believe are the family I am looking for but have only got occupation (William and his father James were both railway workers) to compare. Also on the census he is down as Thomas William but it's common for my father-in-laws family to swop their Christian names about....my partner and his 2 siblings have done just that).The mothers first name on there is Eliza Ann but I don't want to assume I have the correct family without getting Williams birth cert to confirm.

That's the family I found Susan, but want the birth cert to get further details on the parents and confirm I have the right family before I go any further back.

Michelle

You should be able to order the birth cert with the Vol and Page no.

Was he by any chance in the Army or Navy around 1911?

Edit

Order Certs here.

www.gro.gov.uk

I keep getting a navy record coming up but when I asked my father-in-law it doesn't ring any bells. That said William fell out with, and cut himself off from his family (he's not with the family on the 1911 census, assuming I am looking at the right people). He married in 1927 and never spoke of his past or family other than to tell a story of the family having a connecting to an area called Fisher-Hill in Ireland, and possibly owning a castle or substantial property. They were apparently very well off but William was dis-inherited.

I have had a look at the Irish GRO and the form states birth address and mothers maiden name must be filled in. Incomplete forms are likely to be returned. It's not as user-friendly as the UK GRO. :-S

Re: The link you put up. I have used that site numerous times before but assumed that as this is an Irish birth I would need the Irish GRO??

Edit: Yes, I just checked, they only do English and Welsh births.

Thanks for your help. I might just e-mail the Irish GRO and see if they help me with the little info I have. This family have given me a bigger headache than my own! :-S

Michelle

Sorry I can't help you,Irish records can be a pain :-|.

Sue :-)

If thats the rigth family on the census, then the birth posted by Susan is not the correct birth, as Bailieborough is in Co. Cavan.

Lol, as I am finding out! It's made even harder that there seems to be big gaps with the census's. I can only find 1841/51 and 1901/1911.

Thanks again. :)

This is the family that would match the birth posted
Census Years1901CavanKillinbereBeaghglebeResidents of a house
Residents of a house 36 in Beaghglebe (Killinbere, Cavan)
Show all informationSurname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Fisher James 40 Male Head of Family Church of Ireland Co Cavan Agricultural Labourer Cannot read - Married -
Fisher Annie 35 Female Wife Church of Ireland Co Cavan - Cannot read - Married -
Fisher Adam 12 Male Son Church of Ireland Co Cavan Scholar Cannot read - Not Married -
Fisher William 10 Male Son Church of Ireland Co Cavan Scholar Cannot read - Not Married -
Fisher Ellen 8 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Co Cavan Scholar Read - Not Married -
Fisher Elizabeth 6 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Co Cavan Scholar Cannot read - Not Married -
Fisher Annie 4 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Co Cavan Scholar Cannot read - Not Married -
Fisher Ellen 80 Female Boarder Church of Ireland

No William
Census Years1911CavanKillinkereCarricknaveaghResidents of a house
Residents of a house 13 in Carricknaveagh (Killinkere, Cavan)
Show all informationSurname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Fisher James 50 Male Head of Family Church of Ireland Cavan Agricultural Labourer Cannot read or write - Married - 26 - -
Fisher Annie 44 Female Wife Church of Ireland Cavan - Can read and write - Married - 26 8 8
Fisher Adam 23 Male Son Church of Ireland Cavan Agricultural Labourer Cant read or write - Single - - - -
Fisher Eliza 15 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Cavan - Can read and write - Single - - - -
Fisher Annie 13 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Cavan Scholar Can read and write - Single - - - -
Fisher George 6 Male Son Church of Ireland Cavan - Cannot read or write - Single - - - -
Fisher Sarah 4 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Cavan Scholar Cannot read or write - Single - - - -
Parker Robert 78 Male Boarder Church of Ireland Cavan Agricultural Labourer Cannot read or write

1901 & 1911 are the only complete census for Ireland that survived.

Hi Maura, I'm not 100% sure which is correct to be honest. I did find this last night on RootsIreland:

IFHF
Church Baptism Record

Name: Thomas William Fisher Date of Birth: 01-Jan-1890
Date of Baptism: 07-Jan-1890
Address: Corbet Parish/District: SEAPATRICK CHURCH OF IRELAND
Gender: Male County Co. Down
Denomination:

Father: James Fisher Mother: Eliza Anne
Occupation: Station Master

Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:

Notes:
Minister/Priest: GRIERSON CHARLES.

www.rootsireland.ie


The fathers name and occupation match as do the county.

Ok, so the birth I posted first I would say is NOT the one I am after. Both William and his father were definitely railway workers/station masters which is how William ended up in Ammanford (where he died).

I also know that they definitely were able to read and write as William was very into calligraphy from a young age. Feel like I might be getting somewhere now! Thanks for your help, both of you!

Have you found william on the 1911 census?

Re 1911 Census: I have found a William 'Misc locations, Royal Navy' but have no idea if it's him or even if he was in the Navy.