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Thanks Chris :-)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

(found on above)

Chris :)

Hi Chris - Elizabeth Kate is on the 1901 census.

Can I ask where you found the baptism record? We thought that James was at one stage a policeman, but it didn't seem to tie in with other things we were finding

Thanks

Thanks Shirley, I had the census but not the marriage. Not sure why I'd missed that because I knew her married name was Russell :-S

Thanks Mel. I'm wondering if the witness at the wedding wasn't the publican Amos but his son Amos who was living at the same address and was about the same age as Rose & James

Baptism
County Kent
Place Halling
Church St John the Baptist
RegisterNumber 1161
DateOfBirth 20 Dec 1892
BaptismDate 27 Jan 1893
Forename Elizabeth Kate
Sex F
FatherForename James
MotherForename Rose
FatherSurname RUCK
MotherSurname
Abode Halling
FatherOccupation Policeman
Notes Shared margin note OUT OF THEIR PROPER PLACE

(is above Daughter on 1901 Census?)

Chris :)

Births Mar 1893 (>99%)
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Ruck Elizabeth Kate Strood 2a 563

Marriage
County Kent
Place Halling
Church St John the Baptist
RegisterNumber 128
MarriageDate 29 Nov 1879
GroomForename John
GroomSurname RUSSELL
GroomAge 21
GroomParish Halling
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Labourer
GroomAbode Halling
BrideForename Elizabeth
BrideSurname RUCK
BrideAge 20
BrideParish Halling
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode Halling
GroomFatherForename Thomas
GroomFatherSurname RUSSELL
GroomFatherOccupation Labourer
BrideFatherForename James
BrideFatherSurname RUCK
BrideFatherOccupation Labourer
WitnessOneForename John
WitnessOneSurname MURRELL
WitnessTwoForename Mary Ann
WitnessTwoSurname EVEREST
Notes Witness 1 makes his mark


Burial
County Kent
Place Halling
Church St John the Baptist
RegisterNumber 263
BurialDate 21 Jan 1892
Forename James
Surname RUCK
Age 78
Abode Crabbs Corner Upper Halling
Notes Margin note Cemetery

Chris :)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

(from above)

1871 census transcription details for: Brimstone Bottom Farm, Meopham

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 896
Folio: 84
Page: 13
Reg. District: North Aylesford
Sub District: Northfleet
Parish: Meopham
Enum. District: 10
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Brimstone Bottom Farm, Meopham
County: Kent
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
RUCK, James Head M 52 1819 Kent
RUCK, Catherine Wife F 42 1829 Kent
RUCK, Mary Ann Daughter F 19 1852 Kent
RUCK, Alfred Son M 16 1855 Kent
RUCK, Phebe Daughter F 12 1859 Kent
RUCK, Elizabeth Daughter F 9 1862 Kent
RUCK, Edith Daughter F 6 1865 Kent
RUCK, James Son M 4 1867 Kent
RUCK, William Grandson M 2 1869 Kent



so father had died before James junior married

Name: James Ruck
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1892
Age at Death: 78
Registration District: Strood
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 485 unclear

1891 census transcription details for: 1, Hills Place, Halling

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 652
Folio: 118
Page: 15
Reg. District: Strood
Sub District: Strood
Parish: Halling
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District: St John the Baptist
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 1, Hills Place, Halling
County: Kent
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
RUSSELL, John Head Married M 33 1858 General Labourer
Northfleet, Kent
RUSSELL, Elizabeth Wife Married F 32 1859
Halling, Kent
RUSSELL, Kate Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar
Halling, Kent
RUSSELL, John Son M 7 1884 Scholar
Halling, Kent
RUSSELL, Thomas Son M 2 1889
Halling, Kent
RUCK, William Nephew Single M 22 1869 General Labourer
Chatham, Kent

1911 England Census
about Amos Parris

Name: Amos Parris
Age in 1911: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male

Birth Place:Halling, Kent
Civil Parish: Halling
County/Island:Kent
Country: England
Street Address:
Robin Hood Inn, Upper Halling Near Rochester
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Beer Retailer

you may already have this

Name: Elizabeth Ruck
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1879
Registration District: North Aylesford
Inferred County: Kent
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 763
Records on Page:
Name
Alice Baldwin Burr
George Gash
Elizabeth Ruck
John Russell>>>>>>>>

1911 census transcription details for: 22 Manor Terrace Halling Near Rochester

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN3861 RG78PN147 RD45 SD2 ED6 SN180
Reg. District: Strood
Sub District: Strood
Parish: Halling
Enum. District: 6
Address: 22 Manor Terrace Halling Near Rochester
County: Kent
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
RUSSELL, John Head Married M 54 1857 Labourer Kent Northfleet
RUSSELL, Elizabeth Wife Married
32 years F 51 1860 Suffolk Parish unknown>>>>>>>>>>
RUSSELL, Thomas Son Single M 23 1888 Labourer Kent Halling
RUSSELL, William Son Single M 17 1894 Labourer Kent Halling
RUSSELL, Horace Son Single M 15 1896 Labourer Kent Halling


7 children born 6 still living

And thanks Dea the 1891 census for Alfred & Elizabeth Ruch living in 1 Anchor Terrace are actually Ruck when you look at the image and Alfred is James elder brother

Lead on one of the witnesses :-)

E Russell is James Ruck elder sister Elizabeth

Hi Reggie, hadn't thought of looking at the witnesses

Reggie & Shirley - the Ellen you've both found is the daughter of an Emily Checksfield who married James Julian Jarvis and they lived in High Street Tenterden (I think he was a green grocer). I've researched all of this side late one night because I thought I'd found my Rose, but it doesn't look like that Ellen was ever married so I've ruled her put

Dea - you've replied while I've been slowly typing! And you've come up with some brand new leads for me. Thank you so much. I didn't know I could search the census on address. I've been googling anchor terrace but it no longer exists! Also how did you find out that the witness was the local publican? I obviously have a lot to learn

Thank you everyone for all of your help so far. I feel I'm a little closer in finding her. Right I'm off to look at the 1891 census :-D

Wow - what an amazing response and so quickly!

Hopefully I can reply to everyone.

Hi Shirley, it's a usefulness tip about the lack of penalties for not registering before 1875. I have looked on City Ark for a baptism, but only at the church that Rose & James got married at. It's a source I'd forgotten about so I need to go back there. I don't know about any siblings. You have found the correct entry for her in the 1901 census and the census record for Jim is also right. The entry for Edith is probably correct as Rose & the children were in and out of the workhouse a lot and I'm pretty sure that the family sadly were split up while the children were young.

Hi Dea, from the parish record it says
14th May 1892
James Ruck, 25 years, bachelor, labourer, living in Anchor Terrace, father James Ruck (deceased) who was also a labourer
Rose Ellen Jarvis, 23 years, spinster, no occupation, also living in Anchor Terrace, father George Jarvis (deceased) who was also a labourer.
It was witnessed by Amos E Parris and what looks like E Russell or could be Bussell

Hi PricklyHolly, I hadn't found that census entry but they are definitely Rose's children

I have to go out just now but here is a 'little something' to work on:........

The address on marriage entry was Anchor terrace for both.

There are only 3 houses on Anchor Terrace and this was one of them - Could the name to Ruck ???

1891 Census transcription details for: 1, Anchor Terrace, Strood, Rochester

National Archive Reference:
RG number RG12
Piece: 654
Folio: 36
Page: 65
Reg. District: Strood
Sub District: Strood
Parish: Strood
Enum. District: 15
Ecclesiastical District: St Nicholas
City/Municipal Borough: Rochester
Address: 1, Anchor Terrace, Strood, Rochester
County: Kent
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
RUCH, Alfred Head Married M 58 1833 Farm Labourer
Strood, Kent
RUCH, Elizabeth Wife Married F 58 1833
East Malling, Kent


The witnesses were Amos E Parris who was the local Publican at the Robin Hood Inn and the other was E Russell ??

Both father's were deceased (labourers) - i.e. James Ruck and George Jarvis.

Will be back later..........

Dea x

P.S. - Groom was a labourer aged 25, batchelor and bride was 23 and a spinster.

Dea x

Have checked 1881 image....definitely JARVIS

They are Lodgers

There are several Ellen Jarvises born between 1867 and 1869 in Kent.

1861 census


Person: JARVIS, Emily Address: High Street, Tenterden

JARVIS, James Julian Head Married M 32 1829 Shoe Maker & Green Grocer
Tenterden, Kent VIEW
JARVIS, Emily Wife Married F 27 1834
Tenterden, Kent VIEW




Deaths Jun 1870 (>99%)
Jarvis James Julian 41 N. Aylesford 2a 253


Marriages Dec 1866 (>99%)
Bullas William Medway 2a 774
Clarke Kezia Medway 2a 774
FRANKS Elizabeth Medway 2a 774
Jarvis James J Medway 2a 774


Something very odd going on......................

1871 census

Person: JARVIS, Jessie Address: Frindsbury Road, Strood, Rochester

JARVIS, Emily Head F 38 1833 Kent VIEW
JARVIS, Jessie Daughter F 9 1862 Kent VIEW
JARVIS, Emily Daughter F 5 1866 Kent VIEW
JARVIS, Ellen Daughter F 2 1869 Kent

1891 census

Person: JARVIS, Ellen Address: 156, Front Row, Chatham

JARVIS, Emily Head Widow F 57 1834 Laundress
Tenterden, Kent VIEW
JARVIS, Jessie Daughter Single F 29 1862 Needle Woman
Tenterden, Kent VIEW
JARVIS, Ellen Daughter Single F 22 1869 Needle Woman
Strood, Kent VIEW
JARVIS, William Grandson M 9 1882 Scholar
Strood, Kent VIEW
JARVIS, Percival Grandson M 7 1884 Scholar
Strood, Kent VIEW
BINT, Frederick Grandson M 4 1887
Strood, Kent VIEW Piece: 658 Folio: 97 Page: 5 Registration District: Medway Civil Parish: Chatham Municipal Borough: Chatham

Bear in mind that 'deceased' fathers were sometimes invented............

Who witnessed the marriage?