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Hi Holly,

Thank you so so much I've found a christening for Catherine Otter Grey at St Mary's Bingham on 10 july 1841 abode Union Workhouse Bingham daughter of Jane Grey and as she has Otter has a middle name John Otter must be her father.
You have given me loads to work on so again Thank you.

All the best

Wendy :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

I can't for the life of me find Catherine and William in the 1871 census.......


1881 England Census
about William Holt Name: William Holt
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine Holt
Gender: Male
Where born: Bingham, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Bingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address: Fisher Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Ag Lab

Registration District: Bingham
Sub-registration District: Bingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3380
Folio: 35
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
William Holt 39
Catherine Holt 39
Mary Holt 16
Richard Holt 7
Samuel Holt 5
John W. Holt 8
Fanny Holt 3
Groves Holt 1
John Freeman 3 (Visitor)

Ahhh......it seems Catherine was born before John Otter and Jane Grays marriage in 1843.....

So she married using the name Gray?

Marriages Dec 1862 (>99%)
Gray Catherine Bingham 7b 589
Holt William Bingham 7b 589

My pleasure. :-)

On the 1911 census where Jane Otter is the Mother in Law.......

William Holt married Catherine Otter who appears on the 1851 census.

(Having said that i have yet to find a marriage)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Catherine Holt Name: Catherine Holt
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1907
Age at Death: 66
Registration District: Bingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 371

Hi Holly,

Thank you so so much you are a star :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D.

If there is anything I can do to help you here in Nottingham please let me know.

Wendy

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: HARRISON, John
Address: 32 Grattan St Kimberworth Rotherham

HARRISON, John Head Married28 years M 57 1854 Driller Tester Coalstone Notts VIEW
HARRISON, Annie Wife F 56 1855 Rotherham Yorkshire VIEW
MOXEN, Mary Ann Servant Single F 21 1890 Domestic Servant Rotherham Yorkshire VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 28091
Reference: RG14PN28091 RG78PN1604 RD511 SD3 ED18 SN368
Registration District: Rotherham
Sub District: North West Rotherham
Enumeration District: 18
Parish: Rotherham
Address: 32 Grattan St Kimberworth Rotherham
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
(3 children born and died)

Going back to John Heny Harrison......


1891 England Census
about John Hy Harrison Name: John Hy Harrison
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Carcolsten, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Brinsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Ickles
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Rotherham
Sub-registration District: Rotherham
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3847
Folio: 119
Page Number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
James Pattison 60 (Wodower)
Annie E Pattison 36
John Hy Harrison 38 (Steal Driller)
(Res: 344 Sheffield Road)


1901 England Census
about Annie Harrison Name: Annie Harrison
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Harrison
Gender: Female
Where born: Rotherham, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Rotherham
Ecclesiastical parish: Rotherham All Saints
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Rotherham
Sub-registration District: South East Rotherham
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 39
Piece: 4393
Folio: 146
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
John Harrison 46 (General Labourer)
Annie Harrison 46
(Res: 344 Sheffield Road)

Spouse missing from entry.........

Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
ANTHONY George Basford 7b 437
ROBINSON Jessica Basford 7b 437
WAGSTAFF May Basford 7b 437


Here he is.......

Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
RODGERS Alfred William Basford 7b 487



Household transcription
1911 census

Person: RODGERS, Jessica
Address: Old Westwood Jacksdale

RODGERS, Alfred William Head Married M 25 1886 Coal Miner Loader Derbys Riddings VIEW
RODGERS, Jessica Wife Married1 years F 23 1888 Notts Westwood VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 20370
Reference: RG14PN20370 RG78PN1221 RD429 SD1 ED15 SN83
Registration District: Basford
Sub District: Greasley
Enumeration District: 15
Parish: Selston
Address: Old Westwood Jacksdale
County: Nottinghamshire

1891 England Census
about Jessica Robison Name: Jessica Robison
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Samuel Robison
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Robison
Gender: Female
Where born: Westwood, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Selston
Ecclesiastical parish: Selston
Town: Old Westwood
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Basford
Sub-registration District: Greasley
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2662
Folio: 94
Page Number: 44
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Robison 43
Elizabeth Robison 40
Jessica Robison 3

Hi Wendy.........i know that 1911 is not your family. I posted it for reference to eliminate that Ellen Otter.


England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Elizabeth Otter Name: Elizabeth Otter
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 29 Jan 1851
Christening Place: Bingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Father's Name: Otter





1871 England Census
about Elizabeth Otter Name: Elizabeth Otter
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Bingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Bottesford
Town: Bottesford
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Registration District: Grantham
Sub-registration District: Denton
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household Schedule Number: 14
Piece: 3356
Folio: 52
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Goodson 49
Elizabeth Otter 20
Catherine Caudle 14



Marriages Jun 1873 (>99%)
Otter Elizabeth Basford 7b 251
ROBINSON Samuel Basford 7b 251


1881 England Census
about Elizabeth Robinson Name: Elizabeth Robinson
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Saml. Robinson
Gender: Female
Where born: Bingham, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Selston
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address: Old West Wood
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Basford
Sub-registration District: Greasley
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3323
Folio: 117
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
Saml. Robinson 33
Elizabeth Robinson 30
Ellen Clay 20 (Boarder)



1901 England Census
about Elizabeth Robinson Name: Elizabeth Robinson
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Samuel Robinson
Gender: Female
Where born: Bingham, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Selston
Ecclesiastical parish: Selston St Helen
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Basford
Sub-registration District: Greasley
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 155
Piece: 3145
Folio: 184
Page Number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Robinson 52
Elizabeth Robinson 50
Jessica Robinson 13



Household transcription
1911 census

Person: ROBINSON, Elizabeth
Address: New Westwood Jacksdale

ROBINSON, Samuel Head Married31 years M 63 1848 Collier Holer Notts Bingham VIEW
ROBINSON, Elizabeth Wife Married F 60 1851 Notts Bingham VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 20370
Reference: RG14PN20370 RG78PN1221 RD429 SD1 ED15 SN142
Registration District: Basford
Sub District: Greasley
Enumeration District: 15
Parish: Selston
Address: New Westwood Jacksdale
County: Nottinghamshire
(1 child born and living)

hi

that last 1911 census is not our Otter family.

Wendy

Hi Argyllgran & Holly,

Thank you both so so much you have been great and are stars :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

I may be back later with some more of the Gray's have to check which one's I haven't done.

Thank you so much

Wendy

I'ts ok i found her.

On the 1861 it states that Ellen is a Grandaughter but..........


England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Ellen Otter Name: Ellen Otter
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 22 Mar 1862
Christening Place: Bingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Father's Name: John Otter
Mother's Name: Jane

No forget that.........i found this Ellen with another Jane Otter.

For Ref.......


Household transcription
1911 census
Person: OTTER, Ellen
Address: 1 Dane St Nottingham

OTTER, Jane Head Widow F 74 1837 Wymeswold Leicestershire VIEW
OTTER, Ellen Daughter Si F 49 1862 Machinist Lace Neck Wear Nottinghamshire VIEW
OTTER, William Son Widower M 38 1873 Railway Porter Notts VIEW
OTTER, Mary Granddaughter Single F 23 1888 Dressmaker Nottingham VIEW
OTTER, Lilian Granddaughter F 10 1901 Hornsey Middlesex VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 20559
Reference: RG14PN20559 RG78PN1230 RD430 SD3 ED19 SN204
Registration District: Nottingham
Sub District: Nottingham North East
Enumeration District: 19
Parish: Nottingham
Address: 1 Dane St Nottingham
County: Nottinghamshire

Hi

Sorry she was born 1822 Car Colston daughter of John & Mary Gray and died 1914 in Bingham.

Wendy

Can't see John's death so far.

Nor Jane's birth.

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: OTTER, Jane
Address: Long Acre Bingham Nottinghamshire

HOLT, William Head Widower M 70 1841 Labourer General Notts Bingham VIEW
OTTER, Jane Mother In Law Widow F 89 1822 Notts Car Colston VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Granddaughter F 13 1898 Notts Bingham VIEW
SMITH, Doris Granddaughter F 4 1907 Notts Bingham VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 20769
Reference: RG14PN20769 RG78PN1240 RD433 SD1 ED1 SN47
Registration District: Bingham
Sub District: Bingham
Enumeration District: 1
Parish: Bingham
Address: Long Acre Bingham Nottinghamshire
County: Nottinghamshire

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Jane Otter
Name: Jane Otter
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1914
Age at Death: 92
Registration District: Bingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 667

1911 England Census about Jane Otter
Name: Jane Otter
Age in 1911: 89
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation to Head: Mother-in-law
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Car Colston, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Bingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: Bingham Notts
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration District: Bingham
Registration District Number: 433
Sub-registration District: Bingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 20769
Household Members:
Name Age
William Holt 70
Jane Otter 89
Elizabeth Smith 13
Doris Holt 4

1901 England Census about Jane Otter
Name: Jane Otter
Age: 80
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Car Colston, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Bingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Bingham St Mary and All Saints
Town: Bingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration District: Bingham
Sub-registration District: Bingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 53
Piece: 3202
Folio: 8
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Otter 80