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Deborah

Deborah Report 16 Jun 2013 14:44

Hi
I have been on here for a few months now and I am really stuck. I am trying to trace my grandfathers ancestry. I have his father and mothers names and I think I have found his grandfather...but when I try to do more indepth searches I just hit a blank.......I have gathered as much info as I can from an aunt but all other relatives are not around anymore. I am becoming really frustrated...can anyone help please?
Yours gratefully
Deborah Claxton :-S :-S

Dea

Dea Report 16 Jun 2013 14:47

I am sure we could help if only we had some names and dates etc. but without any info I am afraid it is an impossible task ! :-(

Can you tell us what info you have and what you are looking for please and we can take a look?

Dea x

Potty

Potty Report 16 Jun 2013 14:48

Deborah, if you give some more info we may be able to help. Who was your grandfather? Where and when was he born? What were his parents' names? If you have found him on any census please post the details.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Jun 2013 15:06

Hello Deborah, welcome to the boards.

As stated, we can certainly try to help and also give you some pointers as to how to get the best out of your research. :-)

Fredk

Fredk Report 16 Jun 2013 15:23

As Dea,Potty and Marie have said a little more information and then we may be able to help

Deborah

Deborah Report 16 Jun 2013 15:32

wow you guys are fantastic....ok here goes:
john(AKA Jack) cowburn born 1919 in hindley and died in 1974 in Fulham he was married to Norah Hallissey from Cork, his father was Thomas Cowburn and he married someone called Annie Moorfield (but my aunt said she thought her grand mother was Mary?), i always knew there was a family secret and it seem Annie has a child called Willie Moorfield born 1911 in wigan but not to Thomas. My Grandfather had a brother called Joseph who I believe was born in 1921 in Hindley Wigan...and a sister called Betty (who I believe lived with her half brother Billy as man and wife)...I also have an address where my grandfather parents used to live ...4 Gibbons Court, Ellesmere Street, Hindley Wigan.
I am so stuck......I dont have any family as such to ask...my mother was murdered when I was 25 and i only have an aunt and she doesnt know too much...any help would be so gratefully received.
xxxxxxxxx :-)

Deborah

Deborah Report 16 Jun 2013 15:33

I apologise beforehand if its all muffled....is there anyway I can give you access to my tree?

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 16 Jun 2013 15:43

Births Jun 1919 (>99%)
Cowburn John Moorfield Wigan 8c 91

Andrew

Andrew Report 16 Jun 2013 15:44

For ref marriage for Thomas and Annie

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1916 (>99%)
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Cowburn Thomas Moorfield Wigan 8c 51
Moorfield Annie Cowburn Wigan 8c 51



1911 census for Annie with son Willie


1911 England Census
about Annie Moorfield
Name:Annie Moorfield
Age in 1911:19
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1892
Relation to Head:Daughter
Gender:Female
Birth Place:
Hindley, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Hindley
County/Island:Lancashire
Country:
England
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Street Address:5 Gibson Court Ellesmere St <<<<<<
Marital Status:Single
Occupation:Mill (Weaver)
Registration District:Wigan
Registration District Number:458
Sub-registration District:Hindley
ED, institution, or vessel:11
Piece:23026
Household Members:
Name
Age
Ann Cowely 50
Annie Moorfield 19
Rachael Moorfield 17
Marg L Moorfield 15
James Moorfield 13
Willie Moorfield 8/12
Ann Cowely

Andy


Rambling

Rambling Report 16 Jun 2013 15:45

for ref

Marriages Mar 1916 (>99%)

Cowburn Thomas Moorfield Wigan 8c 51
Moorfield Annie Cowburn Wigan 8c 51

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 16 Jun 2013 15:46

Marriages Mar 1916 (>99%)
Cowburn Thomas Moorfield Wigan 8c 51
Moorfield Annie Cowburn Wigan 8c 51

Rambling

Rambling Report 16 Jun 2013 15:48

Marriage: 22 Jan 1916 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England
Thomas Cowburn - 24, Collier, Bachelor, 3 Dogpool Atherton Rd
Annie Moorfield - 24, Spinster, 5 Gibson's Court
Bride's Father: William Moorfield, Miner
Witness: Henry Williams; Mary Ellen Mason, (X)
Married by Banns by: C.J. Buckmaster Vicar
Register: Marriages 1916 - 1924, Page 2, Entry 3
Source: LDS Film 93751

Rambling

Rambling Report 16 Jun 2013 15:51

1911 address matches marriage

1911 England Census about Thomas Cowburn
Name: Thomas Cowburn
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Hindley, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Hindley
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Dog Pool Off Atherton Rd Hindley
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Labourer In Coal Mine (below Ground)
Registration District: Wigan
Registration District Number: 458
Sub-registration District: Hindley
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 23025
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Holcroft 45
Elizabeth Holcroft 45
Thomas Cowburn 19 <<<<<<<<<
Harry S Holcroft 13
John Holcroft 10
Richard Holcroft 9
Mary Ellen Holcroft 7
Clarice Holcroft 3


Thomas is listed as son so possibly from mother's previous marriage?

Deborah

Deborah Report 16 Jun 2013 15:52

thank you thank you thank you xxxx

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 16 Jun 2013 15:54

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: COWBURN, Thomas
Address: 3 Dog Pool Off Atherton Road Hindley

HOLCROFT, Thomas Head Married13 years M 45 1866 Colliery Fireman Below Ground Hindley Lancashire VIEW
HOLCROFT, Elizabeth Wife Married F 45 1866 Hindley Lancashire VIEW
COWBURN, Thomas Son Single M 19 1892 Labourer Coal Mine Below Ground Hindley Lancashire VIEW
HOLCROFT, Harry S Son Single M 13 1898 Haulage Handf Below Ground Hindley Lancashire VIEW
HOLCROFT, John Son Single M 10 1901 School Hindley Lancashire VIEW
HOLCROFT, Richard Son Single M 9 1902 School Hindley Lancashire VIEW
HOLCROFT, Mary Ellen Daughter Single F 7 1904 School Hindley Lancashire VIEW
HOLCROFT, Clarice Daughter Single F 3 1908 School Hindley Lancashire VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 23025
Reference: RG14PN23025 RG78PN1346 RD458 SD4 ED10 SN154
Registration District: Wigan
Sub District: Hindley
Enumeration District: 10
Parish: Hindley
Address: 3 Dog Pool Off Atherton Road Hindley
County: Lancashire

Rambling

Rambling Report 16 Jun 2013 15:54

Elizabeth Cowburn's marriage to T Holcroft

Marriages Dec 1897 (>99%)
Cowburn Elizabeth Wigan 8c 27

Holcroft Thomas Wigan 8c 27

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 16 Jun 2013 15:55

1901 England Census
about Thomas Cowburn Name: Thomas Cowburn
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Holcroft
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Holcroft
Gender: Male
Where born: Hindley, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Hindley
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Hindley
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Wigan
Sub-registration District: Hindley
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 209
Piece: 3561
Folio: 24
Page Number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Holcroft 35
Elizabeth Holcroft 35
Thomas Cowburn 9
Henry S Holcroft 3
Johb Holcroft 10 Months


Rambling

Rambling Report 16 Jun 2013 15:56

details of marriage for father's name for Elizabeth

Marriage: 9 Oct 1897 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England

Thomas Holcroft - 32, Collier, Bachelor, 5 Atherton Rd
Elizabeth Cowburn - (X), 32, Spinster, 99 Bridgewater St

Groom's Father: Thomas Holcroft, Deceased
Bride's Father: Thomas Cowburn, Deceased
Witness: Richard Henry Southern; Annie Gerrard
Married by Banns by: Fred. W. Johnstone, Curate
Register: Marriages 1891 - 1899, Page 201, Entry 401
Source: LDS Film 93751

Deborah

Deborah Report 16 Jun 2013 15:56

I am trying to find out who Thomas's Mother and father were? Thank you for the rest of the information...I did have some of it but not all...most appreciated. :-D

Fredk

Fredk Report 16 Jun 2013 15:57

GR Version


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Household Information
Address 3 DOG POOL OFF ATHERTON ROAD HINDLEY
Parish HINDLEY
County Lancashire
Country ENGLAND
Ecclesiastical District
Enumeration District 10
Registration District WIGAN
Registration District Number 458
SubDistrict Number 4
Category Census, Land & Surveys
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Collections from Great Britain
Person 1
First Name THOMAS
Last Name HOLCROFT
Birth Year 1866
Age 45
Where Born HINDLEY LANCASHIRE
Relationship To Head of Household HEAD
Gender M
Condition MARRIED
Year Of Marriage 1898
Years Of Marriage 13
Occupation COLLIERY FIREMAN BELOW GROUND
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN23025 RG78PN1346 RD458 SD4 ED10 SN154
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 23025
Person 2
First Name ELIZABETH
Last Name HOLCROFT
Birth Year 1866
Age 45
Where Born HINDLEY LANCASHIRE
Relationship To Head of Household WIFE
Gender F
Condition MARRIED
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN23025 RG78PN1346 RD458 SD4 ED10 SN154
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 23025
Person 3
First Name HARRY S
Last Name HOLCROFT
Birth Year 1898
Age 13
Where Born HINDLEY LANCASHIRE
Relationship To Head of Household SON
Gender M
Condition SINGLE
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation HAULAGE HANDF BELOW GROUND
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN23025 RG78PN1346 RD458 SD4 ED10 SN154
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 23025
Person 4
First Name JOHN
Last Name HOLCROFT
Birth Year 1901
Age 10
Where Born HINDLEY LANCASHIRE
Relationship To Head of Household SON
Gender M
Condition SINGLE
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation SCHOOL
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN23025 RG78PN1346 RD458 SD4 ED10 SN154
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 23025
Person 5
First Name RICHARD
Last Name HOLCROFT
Birth Year 1902
Age 9
Where Born HINDLEY LANCASHIRE
Relationship To Head of Household SON
Gender M
Condition SINGLE
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation SCHOOL
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN23025 RG78PN1346 RD458 SD4 ED10 SN154
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 23025
Person 6
First Name MARY ELLEN
Last Name HOLCROFT
Birth Year 1904
Age 7
Where Born HINDLEY LANCASHIRE
Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER
Gender F
Condition SINGLE
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation SCHOOL
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN23025 RG78PN1346 RD458 SD4 ED10 SN154
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 23025
Person 7
First Name CLARICE
Last Name HOLCROFT
Birth Year 1908
Age 3
Where Born HINDLEY LANCASHIRE
Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER
Gender F
Condition SINGLE
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation SCHOOL
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN23025 RG78PN1346 RD458 SD4 ED10 SN154
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 23025
Person 8
First Name THOMAS
Last Name COWBURN
Birth Year 1892
Age 19
Where Born HINDLEY LANCASHIRE
Relationship To Head of Household SON
Gender M
Condition SINGLE
Year Of Marriage
Years Of Marriage
Occupation LABOURER COAL MINE BELOW GROUND
Military Info
Census Reference RG14PN23025 RG78PN1346 RD458 SD4 ED10 SN154
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 23025