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Rosamond Ellen ..the daughters death


Name: Rosamund Ellen Weaven
Death Place: Heidelberg, Victoria
Age: 77
Father's Name: Alfd Christman
Mother's Name: Rosamund Carter
Registration Year: 1961
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 8936
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884

Kate Eliza 1896. Death


Name: Kate Eliza Christmas. Note fathers names reversed.
Death Place: Malvern, Victoria
Age: 88
Father's Name: Edward Alfred
Mother's Name: Rosamond
Registration Year: 1984
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 27214
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896

Rose in 1911 there was a daughter Daisy as well she was with her grandmother in
1901


Name: Rose Christmas
Age in 1911: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Oxton
Civil Parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 186 Downham Road, Islington N
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 28
Estimated Marriage Year: 1883
Occupation: COOKERY CLEANER
Registration District: Islington
Registration District Number: 10
Sub-registration District: Islington South East
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 914
Household Members:
Name Age
Rose Christmas 50
Daisy Christmas 27
Ethel Christmas 21
William Christmas 18
Kate Christmas 15

Going to Melbourne. Hand written on original and says that they "embarked after clearance". Ii looks like Rosamond and the girls, possible Alfred and the boys were already there.


Name: Rosemand Christmas
Gender: Female
Departure Date: 18 Nov 1911
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Melbourne, Australia
Ship Name: Ballarat
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Ballarat' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: P & O Branch Service
Official Number: 131851
Master: Captain W G Lingham

Births June qtr 1861. ...note her daughter is also Rosamond c1882


CARTER Rosamond Shoreditch 1c 138

Rosamond and family still in the UK in 1901

Name: Rosamond Christmas
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Alfred E Christmas
Gender: Female
Where born: Shoreditch, London, England
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Hoxton
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Shoreditch
Sub-registration District: Hoxton New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 385
Piece: 270
Folio: 59
Page Number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred E Christmas 39
Rosamond Christmas 40
Rosamond E Christmas 19
Alfred G Christmas 15
Ethel L Christmas 11
William H Christmas 8
Kate E Christmas 4

Births June qtr 1861


CARTER Rosamond Shoreditch 1c 138

Thank you too to ArgyllGran for this census info.
Regards,
David

1871 this is from FMP and has Roseoman on the original

Father a moulder. mother artificial florist.

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Person: CARTER, George Address: Mary Street, St Leonard Shoreditch
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Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where born Image
CARTER, George Head M 38 1833 Middlesex VIEW
CARTER, Eliza Wife F 35 1836 Middlesex VIEW
CARTER, Eliza Daughter F 14 1857 Middlesex VIEW
CARTER, George Son M 12 1859 Middlesex VIEW
CARTER, Rosomarie* Daughter F 10 1861 Middlesex VIEW
CARTER, Henry Son M 8 1863 Middlesex VIEW
CARTER, James Son M 3 1868 Middlesex VIEW Piece: 459 Folio: 10 Page: 9 Registration District: Shoreditch Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch Municipal Borough: Address: Mary Street, St Leonard Shoreditch County: London, Middlesex

Sister Eliza's marriage, and almost immediate widowhood:

Marriages Mar 1876 (>99%)
Brooks Joseph William Holborn 1b 777
Carter Eliza Ruth Holborn 1b 777

Deaths Sep 1876 (>99%)
Brooks Joseph William 26 Holborn 1b 480

Absolutely wonderful information Cherilyn!
The mention of GAC having been in the U.S. for a while explains some discrepancies I have come across.
Thank you all so much for your terrific efforts.
All the very best,
David

Nor in 1881:


1881 England Census about H. Carter
Name: H. Carter
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: George A. Carter
Mother: E. Carter
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England

Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 46 Forston St
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Metal Worker

Registration District: Shoreditch
Sub-registration District: Hoxton New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 388
Folio: 91
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
George A. Carter 48
E. Carter 45
E. Brooks 24
H. Carter 17
J. Carter 13
J. Brooks 4
E. Hooker 62

Siblings, but no Herbert:

1871 England Census about Henry Carter
Name: Henry Carter
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Carter
Mother's Name: Eliza Carter
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenwich, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Columbia Haggerstone
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration District: Shoreditch
Sub-registration District: Hoxton Old Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household Schedule Number: 55
Piece: 459
Folio: 10
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
George Carter 38
Eliza Carter 35
Eliza Carter 14
George Carter 12
Roseman Carter 10 (Rosamond spelled Rosoman on image)
Henry Carter 8
James Carter 3

:-) Thanks Wendy, will give him a couple of days and then send a PM

By the by, were there any siblings with him in the 1871 census (ie Herbert and Rosamond)??

Well done Cherilyn I hope David sees this. Maybe it would be a good idea to pm him to say you have added to his GAC thread

Wendy

His wife died as Catherine CARTER, daughter of John McNEILL and Catherine CORNELL, in 1949, Upper Hawthorn, aged 84 (reg 11656).

The Argus, Tuesday 25 October 1949
CARTER.—On October 23, at her home, 37 Ryeburne avenue, Upper Hawthorn. Catherine (Kate), dearly beloved wife of the late George A. Carter, loving mother of Ethel, Arthur, Stella (Mrs. Hunter), and Haidee (Mrs. Eldridge). (Privately
interred.)

The George who arrived aboard Hampshire in 1872 was aged 14, and arrived with a Herbert CARTER, aged 11. No other Carter adults with them. :-( Are there any siblings listed with him on UK censuses?

His death notice mentions a sister Rose (Mrs Christmas).

Death for Rosamond CHRISTMAS in 1938 at Westgarth (Victoria), aged 77, daughter of George CARTER and Eliza HOOKER (reg 8379). She was interred at Burwood Cemetery.

The Argus, Friday 9 September 1938
CHRISTMAS.—On the 8th September, at Westgarth, Rosamond, loved wife of the late Alfred George Christmas and devoted mother of Rosamond, Alfred, Ethel, William, Kate, aged 77 years. —Peacefully sleeping.

UK marriage?

Marriages Mar 1884 (>99%)
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Carter Rosamond Shoreditch 1c 183
Christmas Alfred Edward Shoreditch 1c 183

Children (born Edmonton UK):
Rosamond Ellen 1884
Alfred George 1886, d. 1948 Preston (Vic) aged 62
Ethel Louise 1899
Wiliam Hy 1893, d. 1976 Melbourne aged 83
Kate Eliza c1896, d. 1984 Malvern (Vic) aged 88 [did not marry]

Two chn's death reg's show father as Alfred George and one as Alfred Edward. Rose arrived in Melbourne with 4 of the children in Dec 1911, aboard 'Ballarat'. The two Alfred's appear to be missing from the list, but an Alfred G aged 25 arrived in March of the same year aboard Themistocles. Let me know if you would like marriages and chn for sons Alfred & Wm.

He is also mentioned in several new articles on Trove, e.g.

The Argus, Wednesday 13 March 1895
George Carter, cigar maker, Carlton, who at a previous sitting of the board had stated that American "convict-made" cigars were sold in Melbourne, now produced a box of American cigars so marked in proof of his assertion. He said he bought this box of 50 cigars for 5s. in a Melbourne establishment where there were about 2,000 similar cigars in sight. He was in the United States for some years, and he knew that prisoners there were contracted out to cigar manufactureres : and he also had a list of firms in North Germany who amongst them employed 1,400 prisoners. He suggested that the duty should be increased, or that the Victorian Government should take over the tobacco trade and control it just as it controlled the railways or the post-office.

The Register (Adelaide), Friday 25 November 1904
TOBACCO MONOPOLY,
THE CIGAR TRADE.
MELBOURNE. November 24.
The select committee of the Senate which was appointed to enquire into the question of the Government monopolizing the sale of tobacco met today. Evidence was given by Mr. George Adolphus Carter, cigar manufacturer, who stated that he had been 31 years in the trade. Assuming the output of cigars in Australia to be 47,000,000 the tobacco used in making them would be worth £93,839, and the cost of manufacture and distribution would be £229,843. The total revenue would be £697,775, and the total profit £467,969.

Zeehan and Dundas Herald (Tas), Thursday 4 January 1906
PUBLICATION DELAYED
OWING TO FIRE.
Melbourne, Wednesday.
A fire broke out at midnight on the premises in Patrick Lane, off Lonsdale street, occupied by George A. Carter, cigar manufacturer, and the 'Tocsin' newspaper. Great damage was done to Carter's stock, but the 'Tocsin' property was only slightly affected. Publication will, however, be delayed for a couple of days.

To add to the great work of MC & TS, here is George's death notice, from NLA Trove:

The Argus, Tuesday 17 October 1933
CARTER.—On the 14th October, 1933, at his residence, No. 37 Ryeburn avenue, Upper Hawthorn, George Adolphus, the dearly loved husband of Kate, and loving father of Ethel, Arthur, Stella, Haidee, and loving brother of Rose (Mrs. R. Christmas). (No flowers, by special request.)

He was interred that day (17th) at Box HIll Cemetery. See boxhillcemetery.org/mapguide/BoxHill/Public/

MarieCelest and Tenerife Sun, thank you both so much for your research into GAC. I will now have to digest all of the information you have provided and I will let you know how I get on from here.
Again, thank you for your efforts.
David

This link says that he left Great Britain, the country from which he belonged, on 20/04/1878 for NEW YORK. Sailed from Liverpool via Queenstown Ireland he went steerage. He is first name on the list George A Carter aged 20 Cigar Maker.

If this is correct when did he go to Australia?

http://www.immigrantships.net/1800/algeria780420.html