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MarieCeleste
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28 Jul 2013 23:00 |
No, I think you've got it sorted Margaret!
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Madmeg
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28 Jul 2013 22:23 |
I am sure it was all straightforward to a person with half a brain, just been out of the investigating loop for a while. Getting back in!!!!
Death Name:LAMBERT, Annie Registration district: [?]Lambeth County:London Year of registration:1919 Quarter of registration:Jan-Feb-Mar Age at death:36 Volume no:1D Page no:380
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Name:HICKEY, Robert W Registration district: [?]Lambeth County:London Year of registration:1913 Quarter of registration:Oct-Nov-Dec Age at death:33 Volume no:1D Page no:246
That's it sorted then I think. Thanks folks. I should have been able to do it on my own, but you made it much easier. Hope I can return the favour sometime.
Margaret.
PS Tell me if I'm wrong!
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MarieCeleste
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27 Jul 2013 23:54 |
Margaret, I thought it all seemed quite straightforward!
Ellen Caroline Hickey's mother Sarah Caroline remarried in 1922 to Charles W Lambert thus making Ellen Caroline the stepsister of Charles John. She only omitted the "step" part of the relationship on the death registration.
Haven't yet found a likely death for Annie (nee Quinnear), but perhaps it wasn't her death that resulted in the subsequent remarriage of Charles W - maybe they separated/divorced?
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Madmeg
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27 Jul 2013 23:46 |
Hi folks, think I've got very rusty on all this. I'm into veg growing now!
Would some kind soul tell me where we are at?
So Ellen (Caroline) Hickey born 1906 is the step-sister of Charles John Lambert, b 1902, d 1955.
How?
Her mother, Sarah Caroline Bosher, married Robert (William) Hickey in 1903 who died in ?? have we got that? Before 1928. Sarah Caroline and Robert had a son Robert James in 1909, who was living with her in the 1930s.
Sarah Caroline then married Charles W Lambert, father of Charles John above, in 1922. Presumably Annie Quinnear, CWL's first wife died before 1922. Do we have a likely date for the death? I have lost the plot!
Sorry, packing to go on hol, but will pick upGR while there.
Margaret
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Chris Ho :)
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27 Jul 2013 14:45 |
(no luck 1911, did notice below)
London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 Name: Sarah Caroline Hickey Year: 1918 County or Borough: Lambeth Ward or Division/Constituency: Lambeth Street Address: 31 Edmondl41 (31, Newport Street, herself and Norah Bunce)
Marriages Mar 1888 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------- BUNCE Maurice Lambeth 1d 570 Hickey Norah Lambeth 1d 570
1891 BUNES, Morris Head Married M 30 1861 G Labourer London BUNES, Laura Wife Married F 30 1861 London BUNES, Robt Son Single M 13 1878 London Piece: 395 Folio: 60 Page: 23 Registration District: Lambeth Civil Parish: Lambeth Municipal Borough: Address: 4, King Street, Lambeth County: London
1901 BUNCE, Morris Head Married M 41 1860 Labourer Bricklayer Vauxhall, London BUNCE, Norah Wife Married F 40 1861 Westminster, London BUNCE, Robert Son Single M 22 1879 Labourer Pottery Westminster, London Piece: 409 Folio: 67 Page: 2 Registration District: Lambeth Civil Parish: Lambeth Municipal Borough: Address: 14, Land Street, Lambeth County: London
Chris :)
(below looks to be Robert mentioned in query)
Births Sep 1909 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------------- HICKEY Robert James Lambeth 1d 320
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MarieCeleste
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27 Jul 2013 09:18 |
I think her mother's remarriage may be the Lambert Connection - she would possible have been stepsister
England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: Sarah C Hickey Spouse : Charles W Lambert Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1922 Registration District: Lambeth Inferred County: Surrey Volume Number: 1d Page Number: 534
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MarieCeleste
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27 Jul 2013 09:08 |
So this was the marriage of her parents:
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Sarah Caroline Bosher Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1903 Registration District: Lambeth Inferred County: London Volume Number: 1d Page Number: 794
Records on Page: Name Sarah Caroline Bosher Robert Hickey ........................................................................................................
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London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Sarah Caroline Bosher Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Age: 23 Spouse Name: Robert Hickey - Carman Spouse Age: 24 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 12 Apr 1903 Parish: Vauxhall St Peter Borough: Lambeth Father Name: James Henry Bosher - Walking Stick Maker Spouse Father Name: Robert Hickey (Deceased) - Horsekeeper Register Type: Parish Register
Neither married before, both give address as 40 Catherine Street.
Witnesses: Charles Bosher and Lydia Bosher
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MarieCeleste
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27 Jul 2013 08:56 |
Looks like her granddaughter had been trying to find her birth details:
http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-40283.html
http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-12475.html
ADDED: From one of those threads
"I am afraid that this particular brick wall is going to take some bashing. According to Grans marriage cert her full name was Ellen Caroline Hickey, age 22. Father Robert William Hickey (deceased) although havent been able to find death record. He was a carman. She was married in church after banns in 1928.
I honestly don't know if she was baptised. I have found her two brothers registered at Lambeth with mothers name Sarah Caroline Bosher together with the parents marriage entry in 1903. I also found a sister who was born in 1914 and died 1915 of whom my father never knew about. Gran would have been about 8 or 9 and yet never ever spoke of it. She talked about her brothers and her father. Her mother remarried in 1923 and her stepfather was a witness at her wedding to my grandfather. I have tried everything I can think of but still come up with nothing.
I would have thought that I would have at least found them on the 1911 census at this rate I will have to wait for the 1921 census and hope they are there."
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MarieCeleste
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27 Jul 2013 08:51 |
Somebody on ancestry has a private tree with an Ellen Caroline Hickey b 1906. There is apparently a photo.
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MarieCeleste
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27 Jul 2013 08:48 |
I have to say that I'm wary of that Ellen Caroline death in 1995 because the middle name on the ER from 1933 to 1939 gives her middle name as Catherine .....
EDIT: Just seen the baptism above - looks like the ER was wrong!
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Chris Ho :)
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27 Jul 2013 08:47 |
Baptism (Find My Past) First names:Robert Henry Charles Surname:Titchener Baptism year:1928 Baptism month:Aug Baptism day:12 Parish:St John the Evangelist, Smith Square County:London Page:140 Birth year:1928 Birth month:Jul Birth day:20 Father's First names:Henry William Robert (Gas Fitter) Mother's First names:Ellen Caroline Record source:Westminster Baptisms- Transcripts Data provider:Westminster Archives (address, 53, Ponsonby Place)
(if fitting anywhere!)
Chris :)
edits
Baptism First names:Henry William Robert Surname:Titchener Baptism year:1906 Baptism month:Jan Baptism day:3 Parish:St John the Evangelist, Smith Square County:Middlesex Page:113 Birth year:1905 Birth month:Nov Birth day:5 Father's First names:Henry William (Service Layer Gas Co.) Mother's First names:Betsy Sarah Record source:Westminster Baptisms (address, 91, Vauxhall Bridge Road)
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MarieCeleste
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27 Jul 2013 08:32 |
Going by the names on the 1933 ER I posted earlier, this must be her husband in 1911, note there is also an Elizabeth Florence:
TITCHENER, Henry W Head Married M 23 1888 Gas Worker Westminster TITCHENER, Elizabeth Wife Married 6 years F 25 1886 Westminster TITCHENER, Henry W Son M 5 1906 Westminster <<<< TITCHENER, Eleanor Daughter F 3 1908 Westminster TITCHENER, Elizabeth F Daughter F 1 1910 Westminster
RG number: RG14 Piece: 468 Reference: RG14PN468 RG78PN16 RD5 SD3 ED3 SN65 Registration District: St George Sub District: St Margaret and St John Enumeration District: 3 Parish: St Margaret and St John
Address: 25 Horseferry Road Westminster County: London
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MarieCeleste
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27 Jul 2013 08:13 |
Meg - my post of 00:24 shows, I think, the death of her husband. I also think Robert may have been the son.
England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005
Name: Robert H C Titchener Mother's Maiden Surname: Hickey Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1928 Registration District: Lambeth Inferred County: Greater London Volume Number: 1d Page Number: 397
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MarieCeleste
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27 Jul 2013 08:05 |
I wonder if sister wasn't the true relationship? Perhaps she was a sister-in-law?
(My husband's brother's wife refers to me as her sister).
EDIT @ 10:30 - She was his stepsister - see page 2
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27 Jul 2013 01:44 |
Just putting this here so I don't forget it, not sure but it's the right place, so will have a proper look tomorrow,
Births Sep 1876 (>99%) Lambert Ellen Clara Lambeth 1d 500
but then this one appears to have married
Marriages Dec 1905 (>99%) HOPLEY Henry Arthur W. Ham 4a 546 LAMBERT Ellen Clara W. Ham 4a 546
1911 England Census about Ellen Clara Hopley Name: Ellen Clara Hopley Age in 1911: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Herne Hill, Surrey Civil Parish: Walthamstow County/Island: Essex Country: England Street Address: 1 Rectory Road, Walthamstow, Essex Marital Status: Married Years Married: 5 Estimated Marriage Year: 1906 Registration District: West Ham Registration District Number: 188 Sub-registration District: Walthamstow ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Household Schedule Number: 90 Piece: 9701 Household Members: Name Age Henry Arthur Hopley 42 Ellen Clara Hopley 34
But this one seems to have died 1948.
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Madmeg
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27 Jul 2013 01:34 |
I will run with Ellen C HICKEY marrying Henry W R Tichener,and possibly later marrrying Ernest F Webber. But how does she get to be the sister of Charles John Lambert? I think this needs a bit of sideways thinging.
No sign of Ellen C Hickey on the 1911 census.
Margaret
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Madmeg
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27 Jul 2013 01:03 |
Dammit girls, you are putting me to shame!
So the mystery woman is Ellen C Titchener, right address. I can't believe she is the one who died in 1966 age 98 to be the sister of Charles born 1902.
I can't find a decent death of Robert, presumably 1853, 1854 or 1855.
But Ellen Caroline Webber fits well, died 1995, born 1906.
Nope I am all confused. Hope you can carry on folks.
Magaret
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MarieCeleste
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27 Jul 2013 00:31 |
Could be an earlier ER?
London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Ellen Catherine Titchener Year: 1933 County or Borough: Westminster Ward or Division/Constituency: City of Westminster Street Address: 53 Ponsonby Place
Other Titcheners at the same address are Elizabeth Florence; Henry William; Sarah; William Robert. Also a Cecelia Whelan.
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27 Jul 2013 00:24 |
Wonder if this is the death of her first husband and the Robert in 1953 is a son?
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Henry W Titchener Birth Date: abt 1905 Date of Registration: Dec 1949 Age at Death: 44 Registration District: Lambeth Inferred County: London Volume: 5c Page: 1309
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MarieCeleste
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27 Jul 2013 00:22 |
Possible birth of the husband in 1928 marriage:
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Henry William R Titchener Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1905 Registration District: St George Hanover Square Inferred County: London Volume: 1a Page: 438
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