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MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 28 Jul 2013 23:00

No, I think you've got it sorted Margaret!

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 28 Jul 2013 22:23

I am sure it was all straightforward to a person with half a brain, just been out of the investigating loop for a while. Getting back in!!!!

Death

Name:LAMBERT, Annie
Registration district: [?]Lambeth
County:London
Year of registration:1919
Quarter of registration:Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death:36
Volume no:1D
Page no:380

Death

Name:HICKEY, Robert W
Registration district: [?]Lambeth
County:London
Year of registration:1913
Quarter of registration:Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death:33
Volume no:1D
Page no:246

That's it sorted then I think. Thanks folks. I should have been able to do it on my own, but you made it much easier. Hope I can return the favour sometime.

Margaret.

PS Tell me if I'm wrong!

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Jul 2013 23:54

Margaret, I thought it all seemed quite straightforward!

Ellen Caroline Hickey's mother Sarah Caroline remarried in 1922 to Charles W Lambert thus making Ellen Caroline the stepsister of Charles John. She only omitted the "step" part of the relationship on the death registration.

Haven't yet found a likely death for Annie (nee Quinnear), but perhaps it wasn't her death that resulted in the subsequent remarriage of Charles W - maybe they separated/divorced?

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 27 Jul 2013 23:46

Hi folks, think I've got very rusty on all this. I'm into veg growing now!

Would some kind soul tell me where we are at?

So Ellen (Caroline) Hickey born 1906 is the step-sister of Charles John Lambert, b 1902, d 1955.

How?

Her mother, Sarah Caroline Bosher, married Robert (William) Hickey in 1903 who died in ?? have we got that? Before 1928. Sarah Caroline and Robert had a son Robert James in 1909, who was living with her in the 1930s.

Sarah Caroline then married Charles W Lambert, father of Charles John above, in 1922. Presumably Annie Quinnear, CWL's first wife died before 1922. Do we have a likely date for the death? I have lost the plot!

Sorry, packing to go on hol, but will pick upGR while there.

Margaret

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 27 Jul 2013 14:45

(no luck 1911, did notice below)

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Sarah Caroline Hickey
Year: 1918
County or Borough: Lambeth
Ward or Division/Constituency: Lambeth
Street Address: 31 Edmondl41
(31, Newport Street, herself and Norah Bunce)


Marriages Mar 1888 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------
BUNCE Maurice Lambeth 1d 570
Hickey Norah Lambeth 1d 570


1891
BUNES, Morris Head Married M 30 1861 G Labourer
London
BUNES, Laura Wife Married F 30 1861
London
BUNES, Robt Son Single M 13 1878
London
Piece: 395
Folio: 60
Page: 23
Registration District: Lambeth
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Municipal Borough:
Address: 4, King Street, Lambeth
County: London

1901
BUNCE, Morris Head Married M 41 1860 Labourer Bricklayer
Vauxhall, London
BUNCE, Norah Wife Married F 40 1861
Westminster, London
BUNCE, Robert Son Single M 22 1879 Labourer Pottery
Westminster, London
Piece: 409
Folio: 67
Page: 2
Registration District: Lambeth
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Municipal Borough:
Address: 14, Land Street, Lambeth
County: London

Chris :)

(below looks to be Robert mentioned in query)

Births Sep 1909 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------------
HICKEY Robert James Lambeth 1d 320

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Jul 2013 09:18

I think her mother's remarriage may be the Lambert Connection - she would possible have been stepsister

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Sarah C Hickey
Spouse : Charles W Lambert
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1922
Registration District: Lambeth
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 534

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Jul 2013 09:08

So this was the marriage of her parents:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Sarah Caroline Bosher
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1903
Registration District: Lambeth
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 794

Records on Page:
Name
Sarah Caroline Bosher
Robert Hickey
........................................................................................................

ADDED:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Sarah Caroline Bosher
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Age: 23
Spouse Name: Robert Hickey - Carman
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Apr 1903
Parish: Vauxhall St Peter
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: James Henry Bosher - Walking Stick Maker
Spouse Father Name: Robert Hickey (Deceased) - Horsekeeper
Register Type: Parish Register

Neither married before, both give address as 40 Catherine Street.

Witnesses: Charles Bosher and Lydia Bosher

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Jul 2013 08:56

Looks like her granddaughter had been trying to find her birth details:

http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-40283.html

http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-12475.html

ADDED: From one of those threads

"I am afraid that this particular brick wall is going to take some bashing. According to Grans marriage cert her full name was Ellen Caroline Hickey, age 22. Father Robert William Hickey (deceased) although havent been able to find death record. He was a carman. She was married in church after banns in 1928.

I honestly don't know if she was baptised. I have found her two brothers registered at Lambeth with mothers name Sarah Caroline Bosher together with the parents marriage entry in 1903. I also found a sister who was born in 1914 and died 1915 of whom my father never knew about. Gran would have been about 8 or 9 and yet never ever spoke of it. She talked about her brothers and her father. Her mother remarried in 1923 and her stepfather was a witness at her wedding to my grandfather. I have tried everything I can think of but still come up with nothing.

I would have thought that I would have at least found them on the 1911 census at this rate I will have to wait for the 1921 census and hope they are there."

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Jul 2013 08:51

Somebody on ancestry has a private tree with an Ellen Caroline Hickey b 1906. There is apparently a photo.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Jul 2013 08:48

I have to say that I'm wary of that Ellen Caroline death in 1995 because the middle name on the ER from 1933 to 1939 gives her middle name as Catherine .....

EDIT: Just seen the baptism above - looks like the ER was wrong!

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 27 Jul 2013 08:47

Baptism (Find My Past)
First names:Robert Henry Charles
Surname:Titchener
Baptism year:1928
Baptism month:Aug
Baptism day:12
Parish:St John the Evangelist, Smith Square
County:London
Page:140
Birth year:1928
Birth month:Jul
Birth day:20
Father's First names:Henry William Robert (Gas Fitter)
Mother's First names:Ellen Caroline
Record source:Westminster Baptisms- Transcripts
Data provider:Westminster Archives
(address, 53, Ponsonby Place)

(if fitting anywhere!)

Chris :)

edits

Baptism
First names:Henry William Robert
Surname:Titchener
Baptism year:1906
Baptism month:Jan
Baptism day:3
Parish:St John the Evangelist, Smith Square
County:Middlesex
Page:113
Birth year:1905
Birth month:Nov
Birth day:5
Father's First names:Henry William (Service Layer Gas Co.)
Mother's First names:Betsy Sarah
Record source:Westminster Baptisms
(address, 91, Vauxhall Bridge Road)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Jul 2013 08:32

Going by the names on the 1933 ER I posted earlier, this must be her husband in 1911, note there is also an Elizabeth Florence:

TITCHENER, Henry W Head Married M 23 1888 Gas Worker Westminster
TITCHENER, Elizabeth Wife Married 6 years F 25 1886 Westminster
TITCHENER, Henry W Son M 5 1906 Westminster <<<<
TITCHENER, Eleanor Daughter F 3 1908 Westminster
TITCHENER, Elizabeth F Daughter F 1 1910 Westminster

RG number: RG14 Piece: 468
Reference: RG14PN468 RG78PN16 RD5 SD3 ED3 SN65
Registration District: St George
Sub District: St Margaret and St John
Enumeration District: 3 Parish: St Margaret and St John

Address: 25 Horseferry Road Westminster County: London

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Jul 2013 08:13

Meg - my post of 00:24 shows, I think, the death of her husband. I also think Robert may have been the son.

England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005

Name: Robert H C Titchener
Mother's Maiden Surname: Hickey
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1928
Registration District: Lambeth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 397

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Jul 2013 08:05

I wonder if sister wasn't the true relationship? Perhaps she was a sister-in-law?

(My husband's brother's wife refers to me as her sister).

EDIT @ 10:30 - She was his stepsister - see page 2

Rambling

Rambling Report 27 Jul 2013 01:44

Just putting this here so I don't forget it, not sure but it's the right place, so will have a proper look tomorrow,

Births Sep 1876 (>99%)
Lambert Ellen Clara Lambeth 1d 500

but then this one appears to have married

Marriages Dec 1905 (>99%)
HOPLEY Henry Arthur W. Ham 4a 546
LAMBERT Ellen Clara W. Ham 4a 546

1911 England Census about Ellen Clara Hopley
Name: Ellen Clara Hopley
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Herne Hill, Surrey
Civil Parish: Walthamstow
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Rectory Road, Walthamstow, Essex
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 5
Estimated Marriage Year: 1906
Registration District: West Ham
Registration District Number: 188
Sub-registration District: Walthamstow
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Household Schedule Number: 90
Piece: 9701
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Arthur Hopley 42
Ellen Clara Hopley 34

But this one seems to have died 1948.

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 27 Jul 2013 01:34

I will run with Ellen C HICKEY marrying Henry W R Tichener,and possibly later marrrying Ernest F Webber. But how does she get to be the sister of Charles John Lambert? I think this needs a bit of sideways thinging.

No sign of Ellen C Hickey on the 1911 census.

Margaret

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 27 Jul 2013 01:03


Dammit girls, you are putting me to shame!

So the mystery woman is Ellen C Titchener, right address. I can't believe she is the one who died in 1966 age 98 to be the sister of Charles born 1902.

I can't find a decent death of Robert, presumably 1853, 1854 or 1855.

But Ellen Caroline Webber fits well, died 1995, born 1906.

Nope I am all confused. Hope you can carry on folks.

Magaret

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Jul 2013 00:31

Could be an earlier ER?

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

Name: Ellen Catherine Titchener
Year: 1933
County or Borough: Westminster
Ward or Division/Constituency: City of Westminster
Street Address: 53 Ponsonby Place

Other Titcheners at the same address are Elizabeth Florence; Henry William; Sarah; William Robert. Also a Cecelia Whelan.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Jul 2013 00:24

Wonder if this is the death of her first husband and the Robert in 1953 is a son?

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007

Name: Henry W Titchener
Birth Date: abt 1905
Date of Registration: Dec 1949
Age at Death: 44
Registration District: Lambeth
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5c
Page: 1309

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Jul 2013 00:22

Possible birth of the husband in 1928 marriage:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Henry William R Titchener
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1905
Registration District: St George Hanover Square
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 438