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Pauline

Pauline Report 27 Jul 2013 13:37

Could anyone give me some pointers my mothers name was Lily May Twaite born 29th December, 1910 I have found her 1st marriage certificate to Thomas William Rawlings and I know she died 14th March 1954 aged 43 but I cannot find out where she was born I keep coming up with a blank. She died when I was 7 months old so I have no more details for her. If anyone can help me I would be very grateful. Pauline

Astra

Astra Report 27 Jul 2013 13:41

Was she born in Lincolnshire? I think the name is mis-spelt

1911 census transcription details for: Dawsmere Holbeach Lincolnshire


National Archive Reference:
RG14PN19527 RG78PN1172 RD414 SD2 ED13 SN18
Reg. District: Holbeach
Sub District: Long Sutton
Parish: Gedney
Enum. District: 13
Address: Dawsmere Holbeach Lincolnshire
County: Lincolnshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
TWITE, James Head Married M 35 1876 Farm Labourer Lincolnshire Holbeach
TWITE, Alice Wife Married
12 years F 34 1877 Lincolnshire Wingland
TWITE, Alice Ellen Daughter F 7 1904 School Lincolnshire Heat
TWITE, James William Son M 4 1907 School Lincolnshire Heat
TWITE, Lily May Daughter F 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 Lincolnshire Gedney

James and Alice's marriage

Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)
Neal Alice Holbeach 7a 861
Thwaits James Holbeach 7a 861

Lillie's birth is registered as Twite

Births Mar 1911 (>99%)

TWITE Lillie M Holbeach 7a 375

Gee

Gee Report 27 Jul 2013 13:52

Do you think she could have registered with a different name?


Births Mar 1911
-----------------------------------------------------
TWAITE Ada Holbeach 7a 382


Edit: Maybe not. There is a 1911 census showing what looks like the girl above



:-(

Andrew

Andrew Report 27 Jul 2013 13:52

Birth record for above


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Lillie M Twite

Name:Lillie M Twite
Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1911
Registration District:Holbeach
Inferred County:Lincolnshire
Volume:7a
Page:375


You need a copy of her marriage cert to check fathers details.

Andy

Andrew

Andrew Report 27 Jul 2013 13:58

Same family 1901

Spelling all over the place

James Thwaite 24
Alice Thwaite 23
Ruth E Thwaite 1 Month
William Neal 11


Andy

Astra

Astra Report 27 Jul 2013 14:02

Baby Ruth's death is as Twaite

Deaths Jun 1901 (>99%)
Twaite Ruth Elizabeth 0 Holbeach 7a 233

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Jul 2013 14:06

In the 1901 census......it states that William Neal is a Brother.

Born Islington Norfolk

Alice's Brother?

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Jul 2013 14:11

The 1911 states.........6 children born, 3 living, 3 had died.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Jul 2013 14:16

Living next door to James and Alice in 1901 is..........

1901 England Census
about William Neal Name: William Neal
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Neal
Gender: Male
Where born: East Winch, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Fleet
Ecclesiastical parish: Fleet St Mary Magdalene
Town: Fleet
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Holbeach
Sub-registration District: Holbeach
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 35
Piece: 3038
Folio: 17
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
William Neal 57
Ellen Neal 48
Rose Neal 13
Mary A Neal 10


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Jul 2013 14:18

1881 England Census
about William Neal Name: William Neal
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Neal
Gender: Male
Where born: Eastwich, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Stow Bardolph
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address: Wards Chase
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Farm Lab

Registration District: Downham
Sub-registration District: Wiggenhall
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2003
Folio: 33
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
William Neal 36
Ellen Neal 29
Elizth. Neal 6
Alice Neal 3 <<<<<<<<< Wington (Wingland on the image)
Ruth Neal 2


Astra

Astra Report 27 Jul 2013 14:21

This is the family in 1891 showing Alice and William

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 1307
Folio: 78
Page: 5
Reg. District: Wisbech
Sub District: Terrington St Clement
Parish: Tilney with Islington
Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District: Tilney cum Islington
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Islington Parish, Tilney With Islington, Tilney Cum Islington
County: Cambridgeshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
NEAL, William Head Married M 44 1847 Agricultural Labourer
East Winch, Norfolk
NEAL, Ellen Wife Married F 39 1852
Tilney St Lawrence, Norfolk
NEAL, Alice Daughter Single F 15 1876
Wingland, Norfolk, Marsh
NEAL, Ruth Daughter F 14 1877 Scholar
Outwell, Norfolk
NEAL, May Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar
Stowbridge, Norfolk
NEAL, Gurty Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar
Stowbridge, Norfolk
NEAL, Sarah Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar
Tilney, Norfolk, Islington
NEAL, Rose Daughter F 3 1888
Magdalen Fen, Norfolk
NEAL, William Son M 1 1890
Tilney, Norfolk, Islington
NEAL Daughter F 0 (1M) 1891
Tilney, Norfolk, Islington

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Jul 2013 14:25

1871 England Census
about William Neal Name: William Neal
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Brother-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: East Winch, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: East Winch
Town: East Winch
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration District: Freebridge Lynn
Sub-registration District: Middleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household Schedule Number: 96
Piece: 1861
Folio: 40
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Read 29
Mary Ann Read 29
Lucy Read 8
William Neal 25


Marriages Mar 1862 (>99%)
Neal Mary Ann Freebridge L. 4b 595
Reed Thomas Payne Freebridge L. 4b 595


Widowed Mother Sarah is with Mary Ann and Thomas in 1911....


1901 England Census
about Sarah Neal Name: Sarah Neal
Age: 90
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Mother-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: East Winch, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: East Winch
Ecclesiastical parish: East Winch All Saints
Town: East Winch
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Freebridge Lynn
Sub-registration District: Middleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 51
Piece: 1886
Folio: 8
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Reed 60
Mary Ann Reed 60
Sarah Neal 90







1861 England Census
about William Neal Name: William Neal
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Sarah Neal
Gender: Male
Where born: East Winch, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: East Winch
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration District: Freebridge Lynn
Sub-registration District: Middleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 31
Piece: 1253
Folio: 29
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Neal 57 (Widow) Parish Relief
Mary Neal 21
William Neal 17
Elizabeth Neal 15
George Neal 11
Robert Neal 8





1851 England Census
about William Neal Name: William Neal
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Neal
Mother's Name: Sarah Neal
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: East Winch, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: East Winch
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration District: Freebridge Lynn
Sub-registration District: Hillington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 78
Piece: 1828
Folio: 359
Page Number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
John Neal 35
Sarah Neal 39
James Neal 13
Mary Neal 9
William Neal 7
Elizabeth Neal 5
George Neal 1


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Jul 2013 15:03

Going back to Lily's Sister Alice Ellen on the 1911 census, her birth was registered with the surname of Twaite......

Births Dec 1903 (>99%)
Twaite Alice Ellen Holbeach 7a 404

The same with Brother James William...

Births Jun 1906 (>99%)
Twaite James William Holbeach 7a 413



Kayak

Kayak Report 27 Jul 2013 15:10

Possible baptism for James Twaite???

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Baptisms&RecordID=7649943

1881 census recorded as James Twites

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=12543834

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Jul 2013 15:13

Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837
about John Neal Name: John Neal
Spouse: Sarah Pinnock
Marriage Date: 1835
Parish: East Winch

Andrew

Andrew Report 27 Jul 2013 15:16

Good work there PH!

Andy

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Jul 2013 15:24

Thankyou Andy.

:-)

Kayak

Kayak Report 27 Jul 2013 15:31

Baptism for John Twaite/Twaits 1828 Stanfield Norfolk ????

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12579-60937-85?cc=1416598&wc=MMVP-468:809599726

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Jul 2013 15:31

I am going cross eyed with all the........

Thwaits, Twaits and Twites!!

:-S :-S

They should have just called themselves the "Twits" and be done with it!!

:-D

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Jul 2013 15:39

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: REED, Mary Ann
Address: Lynn Road E Winch Kings Lynn

REED, Thomas Pain Head Married M 70 1841 Farm Labourer Norfolk East Winch VIEW
REED, Mary Ann Wife Married49 years F 70 1841 Norfolk East Winch VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 11631
Reference: RG14PN11631 RG78PN640 RD235 SD2 ED10 SN14
Registration District: Freebridge Lynn
Sub District: Gayton
Enumeration District: 10
Parish: East Winch
Address: Lynn Road E Winch Kings Lynn
County: Norfolk
(4 children born, 1 living, 3 had died)