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Sorry about this long post but is anyone willing to give me a 2nd opinion about my Gr,Gr Grandfather?
His name is Thomas George Dearson.

I have his death and marriage certificate which puts his date of birth as approx 1855/56. His marriage certificate says his father is Albert George Dearson (who I can find no trace of ).

Thomas George Dearson is on the 1911 and 1901 and 1891 Wales census as being born in Stratford, Essex. The 1881 Wales census has his birthplace as Talgarth, Breconshire??

I can’t find him on the 1871 or 1861 census in either England or Wales.

Doing a 1861 census search, I find a Francis Dearson with a son named Thomas Hill born 1854. Also on the census is her daughter- also named Frances Dearson aged 2.

I’ve found a marriage for a Frances Hill and a George Dearson in 1858, in Hackney. (I have a record of the parish register for this). I believe that Frances was a widow when she married George Dearson; therefore Thomas Hill was born to her 1st marriage.

On the 1861 census Frances’s husband George is not with her. In 1870 Frances dies.
On the 1871 census I find a Fanny Dearson age 12 in The West Ham Union Workhouse. This Frances later goes on to marry Edward Nash.

My question is- Was Thomas George Dearson born as Thomas HILL and took his mother’s surname as he was quite young when she died, and he probably didn’t know any different??

I know there is no definite way of proving this, but this mystery has had me baffled for years.

Thank you for reading this :-)
Jackie

Does the marriage certificate state whether Albert George is alive or dead, and what occupation?
Could you do a brief reference to the 4 censuses, so we can check the birthplaces of Essex and Breconshire?
Thanks

Hi, have you looked into this relative?


1881 Wales Census about Elizabeth Dearson
Name: Elizabeth Dearson
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Relative (Other Relative)
Gender: Female
Where born: Stafford, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Ystradyfodwg
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 16 Greenfield Row
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration District: Pontypridd
Sub-registration District: Ystradyfodwg
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5303
Folio: 110
Page Number: 53
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Dearson 25
Mary Dearson 21
Elizabeth Dearson 15
Thomas Hopkins 21

Hi Patchem,
Albert George is stated as being a Captain of a vessel.

1911 census

Name:

Thos G Dearson
Age in 1911:55
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1856
Birth Place:Stratford, Essex, England
Civil Parish:Llanwonno
County/Island:Glamorgan
Country:Wales
Street Address:
38 Robert Street Ynysybwl
Marital Status:Married
Years Married:31
Estimated Marriage Year:1880
Occupation:
Coal Miner Hewer
Registration District:
Pontypridd
Registration District Number:
589 Sub-registration District:Llanwonno
ED, institution, or vessel:20
Household Schedule Number:53
Piece:32266

1901

Thomas G Dearson
Age in 1901:
45
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1856
Relation:
Head
Spouse's Name:
Mary Dearson
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Shalford, Essex, England
[Stratford]
Civil Parish:
Llanwonno
Ecclesiastical parish:
Llanwonno
Town:Ynysybwl
County/Island:
Glamorgan
Country:Wales

Name: Thomas G Dearson
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender:
Age: 45
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Stratford, Essex
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Pontypridd
Sub-District: Llanwonno
Ecclesiastical Parish: Llanwonno
Civil Parish: Llanwonno
District/Parish/County: Glamorganshire

Name: Thomas George Dearson
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Jun 1879
Event Place: Ystradyfodwg, St John, Glamorganshire, Wales
Age: 23
Birth Year (Estimated): 1856
Spouse's Name: Mary Davies
GS Film number:
Digital Folder Number: 004378082

Hi BatMansDaughter

I did see Elizabeth staying with Thomas George but as it doesn't state what her relationship is, I can't yet place her into the family

I think she is the daughter of a Richard and Mary Dearson, but i dont know who they are??
Jackie

Name: Thomas G Dearson
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 55
Birthplace: Stratford, Essex
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Pontypridd
Sub-District: Llanwonno
Parish: Llanwonno
County: Glamorganshire

Name: Thomas Dearson
Age (Original): 25
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1856
Birthplace: Wales
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner
Address: 16 Greenfield Row
Event Place: Ystradyfodwg, Glamorganshire, Wales
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1342276
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 5303 / 110
Page Number: 53
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Thomas Dearson M 25 Wales
Wife Mary Dearson F 21 Wales
Relative Elizabeth Dearson F 15 Stafford, Essex, Wales
Boarder Thomas Hopkins M 21 Wales

Elizabeth could be his sister?

Name: Eliza Dearson
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 6
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Stratford, Essex
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: West Ham
Sub-District: West Ham
Parish: West Ham
County: Essex
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self Richard Dearson M 50 Whitton, Essex
Wife Mary Dearson F 40 Stratford, Essex
Son John Dearson M 16 Stratford, Essex
Son George Dearson M 10 Stratford, Essex
Daughter Eliza Dearson F 6 Stratford, Essex
Son Charles Dearson M 8 Stratford, Essex
Daughter Elizabeth Dearson F 3 West Ham, Essex
Son William Dearson M 0 West Ham, Essex

Name: Eliza Dearson
Age (Original): 16
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1865
Birthplace: Stratford, Essex, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Servant
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Domestic Serv
Address: 13 Selwyn Road
Event Place: West Ham, Essex, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341408
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 1709 / 84
Page Number: 67
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head William Morgan Emery M 36 Scotland
Wife Margaret Ann Emery F 35 Camberwell, Surrey, England
Daughter Mary Ann Emery F 13 Mile End, Middlesex, England
Son Willm Hy Emery M 12 Mile End, Middlesex, England
Son John M Emery M 10 Mile End, Middlesex, England
Daughter Elizabeth S Emery F 9 Mile End, Middlesex, England
Daughter Annie M Emery F 7 Mile End, Middlesex, England
Son Nelson Emery M 6 Mile End, Middlesex, England
Daughter Charlotte E J Emery F 4 Mile End, Middlesex, England
Daughter Diana Emery F 2 Mile End, Middlesex, England
Father Randall Emery M 72 Berwick On Tweed, Northumberland, England
Servant Eliza Dearson F 16 Stratford, Essex, England

So could tis be another lead if Hill was his name?!


1871 England Census about Thomas Hill
Name: Thomas Hill
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Stratfore, Essex, England
Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Stratford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration District: West Ham
Sub-registration District: Stratford
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household Schedule Number: 110
Piece: 1624
Folio: 29
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
John Kemp 42
Maria Kemp 33
Harry Kemp 15
Frances Kemp 13
Anne Kemp 10
Mary A Kemp 9
John Kemp 6
William Kemp 3
Thomas Hill 17


The 1881 for Elizabeth just states a relation, looking back she maybe Richards daughter, I can't find him in earlier returns but I do find a Reuben Dearson and looking at the original image on the 1841 census there is a 30 yr old George Derson living next to him

Hi AnnCardiff.
I did originally think she could be his sister, but he's not listed on the 1871 census in the same household. The Frances connection keeps cropping up.. He named one of his daughter Frances too...
Jackie

You think this maybe his birth reg??


Name: Thomas George Hill
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1854
Registration District: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 16

Hi
Just found this entry for 1871 census

Name:

Thos Darson (image looks like DEARSON)

Age:18
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1853
Relation:Mate
Gender:Male
Where born:
Plaistow, Essex, England
Civil Parish:Vessels
Town:Falcon Dock Blackfish
County/Island:
London
Country:England
Registration District:
St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration District:
St Saviour Southwark
ED, institution, or vessel:
Eleanor (2)
Household Schedule Number:
1Piece:597
Folio:122

There are no Thomas Darson births listed at all, so could this be a possibility for my Thomas Dearson.
I'm trying to trace the Thomas Hill on the 1871 listed as a nephew forward., to see if I can find a link
Jackie

BatMansDaughter.
Yep i do think that is the birth reg for Frances Hill's son, possibly my Thomas George.

Jackie

Frances's first marriage???


Name: Frances Collings
Spouse Name: John Hill
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 Dec 1852
Parish: Hackney St John
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Collings >>> occupation, Dyer
Spouse Father Name: George Hill
Register Type: Parish Register

Going back to the 1871 census for John and Maria Kemp.... There marriage?


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1860 (>99%)
Bennis Ellen Islington 1b 335
Dearson Maria Islington 1b 335
Kemp John Islington 1b 335
Ryan Patrick Islington 1b 335

Many thanks. Had just found the same marriage.

So i'm assuming that Maria Dearson is Thomas George Hill's aunt. His (step)dad's sister???? Therefore it is looking likely that he was born with the surname of Hill and changed it to Dearson between 1871 and 1881 when he is living in Wales.....

Oh great- just looked up Maria dearson on 1851 census and she is listed as niece in the Smith household :-S
Jackie