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(have just checked on Cambridge, Holy Sepulchre Parish cd, for above Baptism, details below)

1832 Jan 22 Peters James son of Henry Palmer & Mirandey of St. Johns Street cutler (born 15 Dec 1831)

Chris :)

Baptism (Find My Past)
Day:11
Month:Jul
Year:1830
Surname:Peters
Forename:Henry Palmer
Father:Henry Palmer
Mother:Miranda
Occupation:Cutler
Abode:Sheffield
Birth day:25
Birth month:Apr
Birth year:1830
Church:Sheffield St Peter & St Paul (Cathedral)
Place:Sheffield
County:Yorkshire
Record source:Sheffield Baptisms

AH!! So the military record that Astra found really proves (I think) that there were 2 different James PETERS,
The one in Portsmouth in 1881 obviously isn't your chap if he was in Malta and India from 1884 to 1890!

Maureen

James marr Elizabeth in 1828
son 1836

(above from Kathleen, was this in Cambridge?)

Chris :)

Baptism (Find My Past)
Day:13
Month:Sep
Year:1835
Son/Daughter:Son
Forename:James
Surname:Peters
First Parent:James
Second Parent:Elizabeth
Notes:(St Pauls Chapel)
Parish:Portsea St Mary
County:Hampshire
Record source:Hampshire Baptisms
Data provider:Hampshire Genealogical Society

Day:10
Month:Apr
Year:1828
Groom Surname:Peters
Groom Forename:James
Groom Notes:
Bride Surname:Morgan
Bride Forename:Elizabeth
Bride Notes:
Parish:Portsea St Marys
County:Hampshire
Record source:Hampshire Marriages


1841
PETER, James M 49 1792 (Navy)
PETER, Elizabeth F 40 1801
PETER, James M 5 1836 Hampshire
Piece: 414
Book/Folio: 2/58
Page: 28
Registration District: Portsea Island
Civil Parish: Portsea
Municipal Borough: Portsmouth
Address: Hampshire Street, Portsea, Portsmouth
County: Hampshire

(not sure if above relates!)


1841
PETERS, Henry M 30 1811 (Cutler)
PETERS, Maranda F 25 1816 Yorkshire
PETERS, Henry M 11 1830 Yorkshire
PETERS, James M 9 1832 Yorkshire
PETERS, Elizabeth F 4 1837 Yorkshire
Piece: 1335
Book/Folio: 10/17
Page: 27
Registration District: Sheffield
Civil Parish: Sheffield
Municipal Borough: Sheffield
Address: Meadow Street, Sheffield
County: Yorkshire


Cambridgeshire Baptisms Index 1801-1837

PETERS James Age(if recorded) 1m
Year 1832 Relationship of Henry P. & Mirandey
Place Camb. Holy Sep.

http://www.cfhs.org.uk/searchsd.cfm

James born 1864 has a military record on FMP.
His next of kin is his father James and the address is 28 Prince Regent Street Portsea.
He joined in 1883 and left in 1895 during which time he was in India and Burma.
His occupation on enlistment was Fitter.
I can't find a record for his father.

Just in case...I think this is Catherine:

1851 census transcription details for: 4, Bates Square, Sheffield

RG number: HO107
Piece: 2339
Folio: 800
Page: 21
Reg. District: Sheffield
Sub District: Sheffield
Parish:
Enum. District: 19
Ecclesiastical District: Hollis Croft
City/Municipal Borough: Sheffield
Address: 4, Bates Square, Sheffield
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
ROBLET (sic), Patrick Head Married M 40 1811 Bricklayers Labourer
Ireland
ROBLET, Margeret Head Married F 40 1811
Ireland
ROBLET, Catherine Daughter Unmarried F 16 1835
Sheffield, Yorkshire
ROBLET, Michael Son M 11 1840 Scholar
Sheffield, Yorkshire
ROBLET, Margaret Daughter F 8 1843 Scholar
Sheffield, Yorkshire
PARRY, Francis Son-In-Law Married M 22 1829 Bricklayers Labourer
Ireland
PARRY, Bridget Daughter Married F 21 1830
Ireland
PARRY, Mary Grand Daughter F 1 1850
Sheffield, Yorkshire
JOCHEES, Catherine Lodger Unmarried F 70 1781
Ireland
.................
1861 census transcription details for: 22, Bates Square, Sheffield
RG number: RG09
Piece: 3484
Folio: 90
Page: 36
Reg. District: Sheffield
Sub District: 2 North Sheffield
Parish: Sheffield
Enum. District: 24
Ecclesiastical District: Hollis Croft
City/Municipal Borough: Sheffield
Address: 22, Bates Square, Sheffield
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
FLANAGAN, James Head Married M 36 1825 Labourer
Ireland
FLANAGAN, Mary Wife Married F 39 1822
Ireland
FLANAGAN, ... Son M 6 1855
Sheffield, Yorkshire
FLANAGAN, William Son M 4 1857
Sheffield, Yorkshire
????HESTER, Catherine *think it's Peters on the image) Boarder Married F 26 1835 Spoon Buffer
Sheffield, Yorkshire
HESTER, Eliza Boarder F 8 1853
Sheffield, Yorkshire
RABOT, Michael Boarder M ? Roller
Sheffield, Yorkshire
KELLY, Mary Boarder F ? Spoon Buffer
Sheffield, Yorkshire
EDIT: HMMMM-Maybe not the Hesters.

Maureen

Well done,Dee!!!!!!
:-D :-D

Kathleen,

If we look at the evidence you have I it's my opinion that the Sheffield family is the correct one.

You have James Peters birth cert, it states his parents names..... These tie in with the Sheffield couple. The occupation on there for his father is the same as the 1861 census for James born in Cambridge.

Your James Peters marries in Sheffield, Sheffield is a fair distance from Portsea now and we have better facilities to get there compared to in 1883. Why would a Portsea boy marry so far away??

I really think that with the correct certificates the Sheffield family will be the correct one.

I think it's the family in Sheffield!!!!!

Could you tell us please Kathleen what it says exactly on the marriage cert that you say is wrong?

Also-do you have James and Bertha's marriage cert? Who were the witnesses and what was James' father's occupation;

And addresses.


Maureen

Hi again, in 1881 James age 16 was living at home 28 Prince Regent St.Portsea. with his father James age 44 Shipwright and young James was a Stay Fitter.
His 2 sisters Louisa age 20 and Amelia age 17.
At some point he did arrive in Sheffield when and how ? he did marry Bertha and they had 8 children. one of which another James, was my Father-in-Law.

The marriage of Catherine Rabbet to the James Peters in question in Sheffield was incorrect according to the marraige cert. I had. she was born in Ireland.

Things seem to be going off at a tandjent:
James marr Elizabeth in 1828
son 1836
James m. Catherine in ?
son 1864
James m Bertha in 1883 nee Stenton
son 1899

James m. Ivy in 1925 nee Carrack
son 1927 my late husband he too was a James

Sister Elizabeth's marriage



Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1871 (>99%)
Devine Peter Sheffield 9c 650
KELLY Mary Sheffield 9c 650
McKerney Adam Sheffield 9c 650
PETERS Elizabeth Sheffield 9c 650 <<<<




Name: Elizabeth Mc Kerman
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Adam Mc Kerman
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield
Civil Parish: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 26 Hunt St
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Silver Polisher
Registration District: Sheffield
Sub-registration District: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4647
Folio: 143
Page Number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
Adam Mc Kerman 28
Elizabeth Mc Kerman 28
James Mc Kerman 8

You probably do have the correct birth cert, just that mum said he was born Sheffield doesn't mean he actually was. :-D

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1878 (>99%)

PETERS James 45 Sheffield 9c 251

1881


Name: James Green
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Edwin Green
Mother: Catherine Green
Gender: Male
Where born: Portsmouth
Civil Parish: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: CT 2 Cupold St
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Silversmiths Assist
Registration District: Sheffield
Sub-registration District: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4644
Folio: 152
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin Green 52
Catherine Green 47
James Green 16
Edwin Green 13
John Green 11


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1879 (>99%)
Edwards Grace Sheffield 9c 481
GREEN Edward Sheffield 9c 481 <<<<<<<
Parr George Sheffield 9c 481
Peters Catharine Sheffield 9c 481 <<<<<<<<

Looks like mum remarried and he took his step fathers name?? Just 1 theory, just need to check it out.

The 1861 census for James is a match, in 1851 he was in Sheffield were there was a marriage in 1852 that fits.

Did he marry Bertha Stanton? If so he seems to have settled in Sheffield, this is where Catherine Rabbit was from.

I can't see James jnr in 1881 have you found him?

There was always talk in the family re the birth of baby James at Eastney barracks, so I am sure I have the correct b/cert.

Name: James Peters
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catharine Peters
Gender: Male
Where born: Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, England
Civil Parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Moorfield
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration District: Sheffield
Sub-registration District: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household Schedule Number: 44a
Piece: 4679
Folio: 103
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
James Peters 38
Catharine Peters 35
Elizabeth Peters 18
James Peters 7 <<<<<< born sheffield

1851

Name: James Peters
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry Peters
Mother's Name: Maria Peters
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Cambridge City
Civil Parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Moorfields
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration District: Sheffield
Sub-registration District: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 310
Piece: 2339
Folio: 195
Page Number: 84
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Peters 40
Maria Peters 38
James Peters 19
Elizabeth Peters 13
Matthew Peters 8
Daniel Peters 4
William Peters 2
Thomas Peters 10 Mo

This James??


Name: James Peters
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Gunner R. M. A (Gunner)
Gender: Male
Where born: Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, England
Civil Parish: Vessels
Town: New Plymouth New Zealand
County/Island: Royal Navy
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration District: Royal Navy
Sub-registration District: Royal Navy
ED, institution, or vessel: Fawn
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 1
Piece: 4438
Folio: 38


He was living in Sheffield in 1851!!!! So he could have married there in 1851

Hi Ya! James's occ. in 1864 Gunner Royal Marine Artillery. Place of residence is Eastney Barracks. Portsea

I know it doesn't explain why we can't find a marriage to Katherine Rabbett, but are you sure you have the correct birth cert?

Name: PETERS, James
Registration district: Portsea Island
County: Hampshire
Year of registration: 1864
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no:2B
Page no:409

there's also this possible birth

Name: PETERS, James William
Registration district: Portsea Island
County: Hampshire
Year of registration: 1865
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no:2B
Page no:418