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William Edward Lee c1912 - Ashton area

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rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 16 Sep 2013 13:31

Looking at the marriage witnesses

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Name: Lydia Lee
Mother's Maiden Name: Young
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1913
Registration District: Ashton Under Lyne
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 969

And looking at the others on the 1911 census


Rupert went to the USA

Name: Rupert Lee
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: English
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Birth Place: Ashton, England
Age: 22
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Arabic
Arrival Date: 13 Nov 1913
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Jno Lee
Last Residence: England

NOK given as Father Wm. of Boodle Street (same as 1911 census)





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ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Sep 2013 08:45

Deborah

You wrote........................

Yes the guy in Nuneaton died 12 mths later.

You now say you were 'mistaken'

Have you considered purchasing the cert of the Nuneaton birth?

It's the only one (apart from one in Taunton in JAS) which suggests illegitimacy..................and remember that, in those days. it was considered shameful, and the girls were often sent to other towns to give birth

The 1983 death could be the one one whose birth was registered in Taunton..........if the registration was a bit late.

You also refer to the death saying that the man was born in Manchester..............if you don't have the cert, you can't know that

Death

Name: LEE, William Edward
Registration district: Manchester
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1983
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Date of Birth:10 May 1912
Volume no: 38
Page no: 1092

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 18 Sep 2013 11:06

Polly is usually the nickname for Mary Ann, but I have come across a Sarah Ann who was called Polly.

Deborah

Deborah Report 18 Sep 2013 18:31

Really sorry about this folks I'm getting very confused with what I've found and not found. I was concentrating on Ashton. I found a William E Lee reg 1908 in Ashton, mothers name Bertha Lee. When I got cert she was Lee (nee Bramall). On looking at the cert again THIS is the one that died in 1909 so I scrapped that line of enquiry.
Since evryones help it's kick started meagain & I now have
William E Lee
Birth: 1912
Maiden Name: Lee
District: Nuneaton
AND
William E Lee
Birth: 1912
Maiden Name: Lee
District: Taunton

I also have found
William E Lee
Death: 1960
Disrict: Nuneaton

AND

William E Lee
Death: 1983
District: Manchester

To be honest I haven't the resources to get lots of certificates. I would appreciate your opinion on what might be the best one to give me the most info?

Deborah

Deborah Report 18 Sep 2013 18:52

I didn't know about the Polly - Sarah Ann connection. That sheds a whole new light on it. There are 2 possibles I can find on the 1911 census. One household has Mark as the head with 2 single daughters Sarah Ann and Lydia (Lydia being witness on marraige cert). The other is William Lee as the head with Mary Ann as his wife, Bertha & Sarah Ann as single daughters. (Maybe family tradition got the Grandma & Aunt the wrong way round?). This lead would be amazing as my husbands family comes from Rangoon and lived in Bombay and the head of this household was born in Bombay!

Mind you the way this is going it will be neither of these two :-S

The other weird connection with the second family is the son Rupert going to USA on the ship Arabic in Nov 1913 as my grans uncle went to USA on the Arabic in Nov 1908!

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 18 Sep 2013 19:18

Looks like Rupert came back to the UK?

Name: Rupert Lee
Birth Date: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Mar 1963
Age at Death: 73
Registration District: Ashton
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b
Page: 211

Name: Rupert Lee
Probate Date: 28 Feb 1963
Death Date: 3 Feb 1963
Death Place: Lancashire, England
Registry: Manchester, England


Rupert Lee of 55 Boodle Street, Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire, Probate to Geoffrey Stansfield Lee, Joiner

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 18 Sep 2013 19:32

Here's the 1911 census with the Sarah and Lydia

Name: Sarah Annie Lee
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Droylsden
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 318 Market St Droylsden
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Cop Reelers Cotton
Registration District: Ashton under Lyne
Registration District Number: 468
Sub-registration District: Audenshaw
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Piece: 24373
Household Members:
Name Age
Mark Lee 60
Sarah Annie Lee 24
Lydia B Lee 23


Same family in 1901

Name: Mark Lee
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Nancy Lee
Gender: Male
Where born: Dukinfield, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Audenshaw
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Ashton under Lyne
Sub-registration District: Audenshaw
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 65
Piece: 3787
Folio: 141
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Mark Lee 51
Nancy Lee 52
Sarah A Lee 14
Lydia B Lee 13

Deborah

Deborah Report 18 Sep 2013 20:00

I know this is speculation, but lookng at the possible India connection I've come across a Frederick Wm Lee, born in India staying with his cousin in the 1871 census. The family live in Taunton!