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England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
Samuel Duncalf
marriage: 16 February 1836 Frodsham, Cheshire, England
spouse: Ruth Pickering

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Sarah Jane Duncalf
christening: 4 December 1836 Frodsham, Cheshire, England
father: Samuel Duncalf
mother: Ruth

England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
Samuel Duncalf
christening: 26 May 1839 Frodsham, Cheshire, England
father: Samuel Duncalf
mother: Martha - this could be an error on the part of one of the transcribers, in 1839 or more recent times.

Mary Duncalf
christening: 25 July 1841 Frodsham, Cheshire, England
father: Samuel Duncalf
mother: Ruth

Births Sep 1847 Duncalf John Runcorn 19 193

Births Jun 1850 Duncalf Hannah Runcorn 19 267


1841 England Census
Name: Sarah Duncalf
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Female
Where born: Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Frodsham
Hundred: Eddisbury (Second Division)
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Runcorn
Sub-registration District: Frodsham
Piece: 97
Book: 10
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Duncalf 30 - Ag Lab
Ruth Duncalf 25
Sarah Duncalf 4
Samuel Duncalf 2

Sarah's missing in 1851 so it's a possibility she is the one with Samuel Woods.
1851 England Census
Name: Samuel Duncalf
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ruth Duncalf
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Kingsley, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Kingsley
Ecclesiastical parish: Frodsham
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Registration District: Runcorn
Sub-registration District: Budworth
Piece: 2164
Folio: 809
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Duncalf 44 - Grocer; Cudington
Ruth Duncalf 39
Mary Duncalf 6
John Duncalf 3
Hannah Duncalf 10 Mo

All others born Kingsley.

Thanks Ozibird - I wonder if Sarah Duncalf was an adopted daughter? How odd though ... quite strange. Hmmmm any ideas? I am quite lost as to why this is.

And also, I need to order daughter Mary's birth certificate (daughter of Samuel and Mary Woods) ... can you spot her specific birth index? I think I have it but looking for a second opinion. Yeah I must order it.

And it seems as though Samuel had TWO daughters named ANN?! One born 1830, one born c. 1843. And odd, can't seem to find any baptism for his children from the late 1840s on familysearch ... maybe not covered?

yes, this one seems to be the one that stands out for her.

Births Jun 1853 WOODS Mary Ann Runcorn 8a 215

2 daughters named Ann. This usually means the first Ann died. We think it a little ghoulish today but it was a common thing in the 1800s.

Familysearch concentrated on baptisms before official birth registration as the latter was already available. It is starting to change.

Check out http://forebears.co.uk/england/cheshire/runcorn. It may be of help.

Ozi

Great Ozi - I had the same one and I shall order that cert.

Funny, I came across these when looking for Ann ...


Samuel Woods

FATHER_IN_LAW

England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000



child:Ann Cooper
other:Edwin Daniels, William Daniels

NameEdwin Daniels
Event TypeMarriage
Event Date27 Jun 1903
Event PlaceAll Saints, Runcorn, Cheshire, England
GenderMale
Age (Formatted)65y
Marital StatusWidowed
Father's NameWilliam Daniels
Mother's Name
Spouse's NameAnn Cooper
Spouse's Marital StatusWidowed
Spouse's Father's NameSamuel Woods
Spouse's Mother's Name
GS Film number1656552
Digital Folder Number004018387

But the ages do not add up - both would be living together at the same time. Was this common?

Peter

That IS interesting. However, I'm not sure what you mean about age, as only Edwin's is recorded.

Ozi

"England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: James Cooper
Spouse's Name: Ann Woods
Event Date: 1847
Event Place: Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Father's Name: John Cooper
Spouse's Father's Name: Samuel Woods
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M86636-9

Sorry I had not posted the 1847 marriage ... basically, if this Ann aged 17, the one born 1830, then one at home in 1861 with her father Samuel Woods, aged 18 was born c. 1843?

So, are they the same person? Odd. But 13 years apart?

Am I missing something here?

1851 England Census
NAME: Ann Cooper
SPOUSE: James Cooper
BIRTH: abt 1828 - Runcorn, Cheshire, England
RESIDENCE: 1851 - Runcorn, Cheshire, England

1861 England Census
NAME: Ann Cooper
SPOUSE: James Cooper
BIRTH: abt 1831 - Runcorn, Cheshire, England
RESIDENCE: 1861 - Runcorn, Cheshire, England

1871 England Census
NAME: Ann Cooper - Waterman's wife; James obviously away from home that night.
BIRTH: abt 1830 - Runcorn, Cheshire, England
RESIDENCE: 1871 - Runcorn, Runcorn, Cheshire, England

1881 England Census
NAME: Ann Cooper
SPOUSE: James Cooper
BIRTH: abt 1829 - Runcorn, Cheshire, England
RESIDENCE: 1881 - Runcorn, Cheshire, England

1891 England Census
NAME: Ann Cooper
SPOUSE: James Cooper
BIRTH: abt 1831 - Runcorn, Cheshire, England
RESIDENCE: 1891 - Runcorn, Runcorn, Cheshire, England

1901 England Census
NAME: Ann Cooper - widow in this census
BIRTH: abt 1830 - Runcorn, Cheshire, England
RESIDENCE: 1901 - Runcorn, Runcorn, Cheshire, England

1911 England Census
NAME: Ann Daniels
SPOUSE: Edwin Daniels
BIRTH: abt 1831 - Runcorn, Cheshire, England
RESIDENCE: 2 Apr 1911 - Penketh, Lancashire, England

Now this is interesting ... Catherine Fallows is Kitty Woods ... look here:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1333201

You are great at this!

Now, I do think personally that 13 years difference is a LOT of confusing for one person - PERHAPS, Ann junior is a child of Mary BEFORE she 'married' Samuel Woods?!

Well done on relating Kitty. You're not bad yourself.

Are you able to check the image of 1861 to see if the transcribed facts are correct?

Ozi

I am not Ozi as my subscription ran out last week but thanks for the kind words.

Peter

Well, I've checked, and everything is very clear on the image and the transcription is correct. I think her being Mary's daughter before her marriage to Samuel is very likely.

It looks like that birth certificate of one of Mary's younger children is the only way to go.

Ozi

Thanks Ozi, I will order it next week - need to get this one sorted. The curiosity is too much haha!

Hi there, finally got around to ordering the certificate of Mary Ann Woods in 1853 (later than planned). It reads:

25th March 1853 at Fryer Street, Runcorn, Cheshire
Mary Ann Woods
Father of Samuel Woods
Daughter of Mary Woods formerly DUNCALF nee WORRALL
Occuptation Labourer

Thank you!

Peter

There is a marriage between a James DUNCALF and Mary WORRALL in Frodsham Cheshire on 27 Jan 1835.

And then this baptism:


Sarah Duncalf
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
christening:
15 November 1835
Great Budworth, Cheshire, England
residence:
15 November 1835, Great Budworth, Cheshire, England
father:
James Duncalf
mother:
Mary


Could that be Sarah from the 1851 census?

Hello Peter, Sorry to be so long getting back to you. I'm in the middle of selling one house and starting to build another 150 km away. Not much time for family history.

It looks like you have managed to move ahead. I'm sure that is the Sarah in 1851. All signs lead to that.

Have you got any further in the last month?

Ozi

Thanks Ozi - where in the world is it you are based?

And yes, a fair bit thank you - and some more hurdles but all part of them! How is your own research (even if a bit sporadic of late)!

Peter