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Looking for info about Frederick Banks of Birmingham. Born I think in the 1830’s as early as 1832 as late as 1839. Married a Sarah (nee Turner??) around 1856, lived in the Jewellery Quarter and has loads of kids, including two before marriage. Have found some info on Family Search Website (IGI) which includes brief census extracts from 1861, 1871 and 1881, which show Sarah with the kids, but Frederick himself appears elusive? Any kind soul got sight of the census records which may help me pin down Frederick’s age?

Cheers

Steve

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Civil registration event: Marriage
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Name: BANKS, Frederick

Registration district: [?] Birmingham

County: Warwickshire

Year of registration: 1856

Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec

Spouse's last name Not available before 1912

Volume no: [?] 6D

Page no: [?] 10
MarriageFinder™: [?] Frederick Banks married one of the following people Record
STUBBS, Emma Jane VIEW
TURNER, Sarah

Maddie

It was definitely Sarah he married, but it's his age at marriage the puzzles me?

Cheers

Steve

What were the names of the CHILDREN?

We can't hope to find Sarah on a census without some additional info

Buy the cert for his declared age at the time............and his father's name - if he knew it

Do you mean this Sarah.....

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1861 England Census
about Sarah Banks Name: Sarah Banks
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mathias
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration District: Birmingham
Sub-registration District: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 172
Piece: 2164
Folio: 72
Page Number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Banks 28 (Unmarried) Stay Maker
Arthur Banks 9
Frederick Banks 6
Susan Banks 3
Samuel Banks 1
Samuel Banks 24 (Brother)
James Brown 33
Ann Brown 40
Eliza Brown 6
Thomas Brown 3
William Brown 1


1871 England Census
about Sarah Bank Name: Sarah Bank
[Sarah Banks]
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthias
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration District: Birmingham
Sub-registration District: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Household Schedule Number: 160
Piece: 3126
Folio: 19
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Bank 38 (Widow) Stay Maker
Arthur Bank 19
Frederick Bank 16
Susan Bank 13
Samuel Bank 11
Walter Bank 8
Emma Bank 5
Frank Bank 3
Ann Banks 1

Reggie

Loads of them! Arthur Banks, Frederick Banks, Walter Banks, Emma Banks, Annie Banks, Herbert Banks, Susan Banks maybe more! Walter and Emma worked as Jeweller (Gold) according to a brief census I seen.

Cheers

Steve

1881 England Census
about Sarah Banks Name: Sarah Banks
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Bham, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: 26 Upper Hockley St
Marital Status: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Refreshment Keeper

Registration District: Birmingham
Sub-registration District: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3004
Folio: 33
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Banks 48 (Refreshment Keeper)
Frederick Banks 27 (Gold Dealer)
Walter Banks 18 (Jeweller Gold)
Emma Banks 15 (Jeweller Gold)
Frank Banks 14
Annie Banks 11
Herbert Banks 8

Sarah with brother Samuel who appears in the 1861 ceensus


The 1851 Census
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..1851 England Census
about Sarah Banks Name: Sarah Banks
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Daughter
Parent's Name: Susan Banks
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Birmingham

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration District: Birmingham
Sub-registration District: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 223
Piece: 2059
Folio: 278
Page Number: 46
Household Members: Name Age
Susan Banks 57
Robert Banks 26
Arthur Banks 24
Mary Ann Banks 20
Sarah Banks 18 >>>>Stay Maker
Samuel Banks 14


This would indicate that Sarah didn't marry.


1841 England Census
about Sarah Banks Name: Sarah Banks
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Gender: Female
Where born: Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: St George
Hundred: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration District: Birmingham
Sub-registration District: St George
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1141
Book: 5
Folio: 28
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Robt Banks 45
Susanah Banks 45
Robert Banks 15
Aurher Banks 13
Mary Banks 11
Sarah Banks 8
Samuel Banks 4



England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970
about Sarah Banks Name: Sarah Banks
Birth Date: 6 Mar 1833
Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Gender: Female
Event Type: Birth
Father: Robert Banks
Mother: Susanna Braginton
Denomination: Baptist
Piece Title: Piece 3117: Birmingham Zion Chapel, New Hall Street (Baptist), 1821-1837

PricklyHolly

Big help, didn't realise that Frederick had died by 1881.

Cheers

Steve

a number of trees on ancestry has him married to Emma Jane Stubbs ?
here is 1881


1881 England Census about Frederick Banks
Name: Frederick Banks
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Emma J. Banks
Gender: Male
Where born: Birm'm, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: 149 Warstone Lane
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Jeweller Empy 18 Men 18 Boys 1 Girl

Registration District: Birmingham
Sub-registration District: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3003
Folio: 90
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Banks 48
Emma J. Banks 46
Frederick S. Banks 22
Ada Banks 20
Eleanor Banks 19
Ernest Banks 18
Florence Banks 17
William Banks 14
Harry Banks 12
Charles Banks 10
Bernard Banks 8
Emma Banks 6
Elizabeth Morgan 21

don't know if it is correct

they have this couple as parents


Theophilus Banks
1798 – 1858

Elizabeth Rawlett
1804 –

probate for the above
1906
of City asylum Lodge Road Birmingham, probate 14th December to Charles banks gentleman,
effects £19916 10s 8d


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Frederick Banks
Name: Frederick Banks
Probate Date: 14 Dec 1906
Death Date: 3 Nov 1906
Death Place: Birmingham, West Midlands, England
Registry: Birmingham, England

Steve, i don't think the above Sarah married a Frederick Banks..........The above Sarah appears not to have married at all.

Prickles.

Why do you think that the father of the children was named Frederick?

Why do you think that Sarah ever married?

earliest death record i can find
Civil registration event: Death
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Name: BANKS, Frederick

Registration district: [?] Birmingham

County: Warwickshire

Year of registration: 1906

Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec

Age at death:74

Volume no: 6D

Page no: 43

just in case 1841

BANKS, Theophilas M 43 1798 Warwickshire VIEW
BANKS, Elizebth F 38 1803 Warwickshire VIEW
BANKS, Theopholas M 11 1830 Warwickshire VIEW
BANKS, Willim M 10 1831 Warwickshire VIEW
BANKS, Fridrick M 8 1833 Warwickshire VIEW
BANKS, S???d F 7 1834 Warwickshire VIEW
BANKS, Joseph M 5 1836 Warwickshire VIEW
BANKS, John M 4 1837 Warwickshire VIEW
BANKS, Walter M 3 1838 Warwickshire VIEW
BANKS, Charles M 0 (5 months) 1841 Warwickshire VIEW

Piece: 1147

Book/Folio: 10/24

Page: 3

Registration District: Birmingham

Civil Parish: St Thomas

Municipal Borough: Birmingham

Address: Thorp Street, St Thomas, Birmingham

County: Warwickshire

1851
BANKS, Theophilus Head Married F 53 1798 Pearl Button Maker
Birmingham VIEW
BANKS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 47 1804
Birmingham VIEW
BANKS, Joseph Edward Son Unmarried M 21 1830 Clerk
Birmingham VIEW
BANKS, William Henry Son Unmarried M 20 1831 Jeweller
Birmingham VIEW
BANKS, Frederick Son Unmarried M 18 1833 Pearl Button Maker
Birmingham VIEW
BANKS, Cecilia Mary Daughter Unmarried F 19 1832 Pearl Button Maker
Birmingham VIEW
BANKS, Joseph Son M 15 1836
Birmingham VIEW
BANKS, John Son M 14 1837 Pearl Button Maker
Birmingham VIEW
BANKS, Walter Rawlet Son M 12 1839 Scholar
Birmingham VIEW
BANKS, James Son M 8 1843 At Home
Birmingham VIEW
BANKS, Elizabeth Daughter F 5 1846 At Home
Birmingham VIEW
BANKS, Charles Son M 2 1849
Birmingham VIEW

Piece: 2051

Folio: 517

Page: 25

Registration District: Birmingham

Civil Parish: Birmingham

Municipal Borough: Birmingham

Address: 2, Terrace, Summer Hill, Birmingham

County: Warwickshire

parish record for Fredericks marraige

Name: Frederick Banks
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Emma Jane Stubbs
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 22 Nov 1856
Event Place: Birmingham, Warwick, England
Father's Name: Theophilus Banks
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: James Stubbs
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status: Single
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00732-4
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1520007
Reference ID: it 349, p 11, no 21

Name: Frederick Banks
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 07 Sep 1832
Christening Place: St. Philip, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Theophilus Banks
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02079-7
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 502189
Reference ID: item 1 p 456

This might be a bit far fetched.......and maybe too much of a coincidence regarding Banks v Banks........but i am wondering if it's posssible that Frederick Banks who married Emma Jane Stubbs is also the Father of Sarah Banks children.

As you can see from the 1861 census......it states Sarah is unmarried.

From then on she appears as a widow.

There does not appear to be a Banks/Banks marriage.

Frederick Banks is a Jeweller and obviously very well off.

Sarah's son Arthur's marriage record...


Birmingham, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937
about Arthur Edward Banks (Chaser)
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1852
Marriage Date: 23 Feb 1873
Marriage Age: 21
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Matthias, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: Elizabeth Gethen Harvey
Spouse Gender: Female
Spouse Marriage Age: 19
Father: Frederick Banks >>>>Jeweller
Spouse's Father: Jesse Harvey
Reference Number: DRO 8
Archive Roll: 619

Emma and Samuel's marriage record's also show...Father Frederick Banks...Jeweller.

The death record of Sarah Banks is on Ancestry.

Widow of Frederick Banks.....Jeweller Journeyman.

I am on a mission now to see if i can find some evidence.

Inspector Prickles!!

Edit: No evidence found.