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7 Nov 2013 11:07 |
Hi looking to update my tree, Trying to establish father of the above b 1855 London (poss Islington) Married Ellen Hanrahan b1857, married 16/12/1877. can not find John in 1861 census, to establish father /mother name At some time around 1850's appear to have changed spelling from Wrench and anglasised it My records are quiet old now, and am unable to confirm some of the details I think his father was John JamesHave tried Gr and FMP, any other idears welcome, from the knowledgeable ones on here.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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7 Nov 2013 11:11 |
His fathers name should be on the marriage cert,if known
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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7 Nov 2013 11:13 |
Name: Ellen Hanrahan Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Age: 20 Spouse Name: John Frederick Rensch Spouse Age: 22 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 16 Dec 1877 Parish: Bethnal Green St Thomas Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: James Lawson Hanrahan Spouse Father Name: John James Rensch Register Type: Parish Register
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Dea
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7 Nov 2013 11:16 |
Marriage on FreeBMD has this spelling:
Marriages Dec 1877 Hanrahan Ellen Bethnal Green 1c 765 REUSCH John Frederick Bethnal Green 1c 765
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PricklyHolly
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7 Nov 2013 11:18 |
..London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about John Frederick Rensch (Bachelor) Type Founder Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Age: 22 Spouse Name: Ellen Hanrahan Spouse Age: 20 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 16 Dec 1877 Parish: Bethnal Green St Thomas Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: John James Rensch (Painter) Spouse Father Name: James Lawson Hanrahan (Chair Maker) Register Type: Parish Register Witnesses: William...???? and Susannah Barr (William's signature is on another record on the same page so he was possibly a proffesional witness.)
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7 Nov 2013 11:19 |
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1861 census transcription details for: 29, St Mary Road Lucan Place, St Leonard Shoreditch Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG09 Piece: 243 Folio: 74 Page: 15 Reg. District: Shoreditch Sub District: 4 Hoxton Old Town Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch Enum. District: 21 Ecclesiastical District: Christchurch City/Municipal Borough: Address: 29, St Mary Road Lucan Place, St Leonard Shoreditch County: London Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born REUSCH, John Head Married M 31 1830 Watch Maker Westminster, Middlesex REUSCH, Mary Ann Wife Married F 31 1830 Dartford, Kent REUSCH, John Son M 5 1856 Islington, Middlesex REUSCH, George Son M 4 1857 Westminster, Middlesex REUSCH, Elizabeth Daughter F 2 1859 Westminster, Middlesex REUSCH, Arthur Son M 0 (3M) 1861 Hayton, Middlesex
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Pauline
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7 Nov 2013 11:22 |
Thank you all for info, I do have most of that, would like to find more about the father /mother John James/and mother?? can't find on 1861 census, as I thought that would help me more
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PricklyHolly
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7 Nov 2013 11:26 |
A Sister........
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Elizabeth Rensch >>>> 17 Felix Street Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Age: 21 Spouse Name: John Ewer (Type Founder) Spouse Age: 28 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 17 May 1880 Parish: Bethnal Green St Jude Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: John Rensch (Painter) Spouse Father Name: John Ewer (Type Founder) Bachelor Register Type: Parish Register Witnesses: John Ewer and Elizabeth Sanders
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Pauline
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7 Nov 2013 11:27 |
Dea that looks like them. Can you get 1851 census please?. Strange about the spelling, as I believe originally they where called Wren(s)ch That name does not look very english does it
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Pauline
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7 Nov 2013 11:32 |
Holly Thanks for that so now Rensch, and farther has changed his profesion?? from watch maker to painter? could be printer? as the family did all go into the newspaper printing buisness.
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7 Nov 2013 11:33 |
..London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about George Dannell Rensch Name: George Dannell Rensch Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Age: 23 Spouse Name: Alice Blackford Spouse Age: 26 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 31 Oct 1880 Parish: Bethnal Green St Thomas Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: John Rensch (Painter) Spouse Father Name: Alfred Blackford Register Type: Parish Register
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PricklyHolly
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7 Nov 2013 11:41 |
I double checked all 3 images of the marriage records and John's occupation does read......Painter and not Printer.
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Pauline
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7 Nov 2013 11:45 |
Just thought maybe the Reusch was the N miss read. Any one found John James and Mary Ann marriage? Still need to find when the spelling changed on the name. Where would be the best place to check, and did it have to be formal, or just by usage>>
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7 Nov 2013 11:47 |
1891 England Census about John Rensch Name: John Rensch Age: 61 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary A Rensch Gender: Male Where born: Clerkenwell, London, England Civil Parish: Hackney Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael and All Angels Town: South Hackney Ward County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration District: Hackney Sub-registration District: South Hackney ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 204 Folio: 144 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age John Rensch 61 (Painter) Mary A Rensch 61 Boarders.... Joseph Cade 25 Arthur Aldridge 28 William Ward 27 Arthur Pope 18 Fred R Cooper 12 Eliza Thurgood 21 (Visitor) Alfred Reusch 4 (Grandaughter)
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Pauline
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7 Nov 2013 11:48 |
Wonder what sort of painter? Artist or Decorator?? Maybe I have a famous Artist in the family, though not passed to me, can't even draw a straight line!
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PricklyHolly
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7 Nov 2013 11:53 |
Although it states ....Father John "James" Rensch on John Frederick's marriage record, i think this is his marriage record...
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about John Frederick Rensch (Bachelor) Watchmaker....12 Sidney Grove Age: Full Age Spouse Name: Mary Ann Copley Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 16 Jan 1855 Parish: Islington St Mary Borough: Islington Father Name: John Frederick Rensch (Porter) Spouse Father Name: John Copley (Carpenter) Register Type: Parish Register
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7 Nov 2013 11:59 |
..England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 about John Frederick Rensch Name: John Frederick Rensch Birth Date: 22 Jan 1830 Birth Place: St James, Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Gender: Male Event Type: Baptism Father: John Fredk Rensch Mother: Harriet Ryman Baptism Date: 9 Jun 1830 Baptism Place: Islington, London, England Denomination: Independent Piece Title: Piece 4342: Islington, Upper Street (Independent), 1816-1837
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7 Nov 2013 12:03 |
..1841 England Census about John Rensch Name: John Rensch Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Gender: Male Where born: Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St Luke Hundred: Ossulstone (Finsbury Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View Image Registration District: St Luke Sub-registration District: Old Street Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 667 Book: 1 Folio: 14 Page Number: 21 Household Members: Name Age John Rensch 36 (Labourer) Harriott Rensch 30 (Char Woman) John Rensch 11 Sarah Rensch 9 Joseph Rensch 6 Ann Rensch 4 Elizabeth Rensch 1
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7 Nov 2013 12:04 |
..England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 about Joseph Rensch Name: Joseph Rensch Birth Date: 31 Jul 1834 Birth Place: St James, Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Gender: Male Event Type: Baptism Father: John Rensch Mother: Harriet Ryman Baptism Date: 15 Oct 1834 Baptism Place: Islington, London, England Denomination: Independent Piece Title: Piece 4342: Islington, Upper Street (Independent), 1816-1837
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7 Nov 2013 12:08 |
1851 England Census about John Rencha Name: John Rencha Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Harriet Rencha Gender: M (Male) Where born: St Luke Civil Parish: Islington County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
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Disability: View Image Registration District: Islington Sub-registration District: Islington East ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 355 Piece: 1501 Folio: 24 Page Number: 37 Household Members: Name Age John Rencha 50 (Porter) Born St Lukes Harriet Rencha 43 Born Woodstock John Rencha 21 Joseph Rencha 18 Sarah Rencha 18 Eliza Rencha 10 Henry Rencha 8 Samuel Rencha 5 Hannah Rencha 2
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The 1861 has already been posted...
It seems Harriet has been entered on two 1871 census records........one with her two sons and one at her place of work...
..1871 England Census about Harriett Hensch Name: Harriett Hensch [Harriett Rensch] Age: 63 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: London, England Civil Parish: Islington St Peter Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Registration District: Islington Sub-registration District: Islington East ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household Schedule Number: 197 Piece: 278 Folio: 19 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Harriett Hensch 63 (Widow) Samuel Hensch 24 (Watchmaker) Joseph Hensch 25 (Printer)
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..1871 England Census about Harriet Rensch Name: Harriet Rensch Age: 64 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England Civil Parish: Islington St Andrew Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew County/Island: London Country: England Registration District: Islington Sub-registration District: Islington West ED, institution, or vessel: 42 Household Schedule Number: 61 Piece: 265 Folio: 34 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age John Savage 59 Amelia B Cragg 25 Harriet Rensch 64 (Widow)
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