Find Ancestors

still no luck in the 1861 census, rootschat helped me find 2 other children who both died but any suggestions to how they avoided the census?
thanks for all your help again
kevin

Baptism
County Huntingdonshire
Place Hilton
Church St Mary Magdalene
RegisterNumber 37
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 07 Dec 1817
Forename William
Sex M
FatherForename Henry
MotherForename Elizabeth
FatherSurname SMITH
MotherSurname
Abode Hilton
FatherOccupation Farmer

(possible, from below)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)

(no luck as yet 1861!)

thanks all.
it looks as if im on a new track ie william smith snr from huntingdonshire. trouble is i cant find them in the 1861 census despite all combinations i put in. any suggestions pleaseeeeee
kevin

(abode as Thornton Heath on below, if him)

Surrey, England, Burials, 1813-1987
Name: William Smith
Birth Year: abt 1817
Burial Age: 49
Burial Date: 9 Aug 1866
Archive Provided Parish: West Croydon, Christ Church

Chris :)

Name: Lucy Elizabeth Smith
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 1851
Christening Place: TOFT, CAMBRIDGE, ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Smith
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C13572-5
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1040559
Reference ID: - 2:37PCT36 Name: Lucy Elizabeth Smith
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 1851
Christening Place: TOFT, CAMBRIDGE, ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Smith
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C13572-5
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1040559
Reference ID: - 2:37PCT36

This 1891 census ties her in nicely as being the same one on the 1851 census.

1891 census transcription details for: 13, Tait Road, Croydon
Print Close
National Archive Reference:

RG number: RG12
Piece: 592
Folio: 120
Page: 19
Reg. District: Croydon
Sub District: Croydon
Parish: Croydon
Enum. District: 40
Ecclesiastical District: St James
City/Municipal Borough: Croydon
Address: 13, Tait Road, Croydon
County: Surrey

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BAKER, Wm Head Married M 47 1844 Plate Layer
Worth, Sussex
BAKER, Lucy Eliz Wife Married F 40 1851
Cambridge
BAKER, Walter Son M 13 1878 Telegraph Clerk
Croydon
BAKER, Alfred Son M 11 1880 Scholar
Croydon
BAKER, Eliz Annie Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar
Croydon
BAKER, Chas Robert Son M 7 1884 Scholar
Croydon
BAKER, Francis Edith Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar
Croydon
BAKER, Lily Maud Daughter F 3 1888
Croydon
BAKER, Fredk John Son M 0 (5M) 1891
Croydon

There's another Croydon marriage witnessed by your William Smith.

This one is for Lucy Elizabeth Smith b.1850 marrying William Battis in 1877.

So it looks likely that the family and marriage mentioned above by Maddie and Chris Ho could be right.

EDIT: Just realised that although the transcript says Lucy married William Battis, the name is really William Baker. Same as the witness to William and Sarah's wedding.

thank you all, christina i think that is the missing piece of evidence
now i just need to find out what happened to williams father b approx 1823????

On the 1871 census that Margee posted, that William had a sister called Ann born 1857.

There was an Ann Smith baptised in Thornton Heath, Croydon with parents William and Elizabeth.

Ann Smith, born 1857 got married to William Streetfield in Croydon 1878
The witnesses on her marriage certificate are William and Sarah Ann Smith. These look the same as those signed on William Smith and Sarah Ann Crooks wedding.

(possibly the 1850 couple below)

1851
SMITH, William Head Married M 38 1813 Farmers Bailiff
Hilton, Huntingdonshire
SMITH, Elizabeth Wife Married F 28 1823 Bailiffs Wife
Croydon, Surrey
SMITH, Lucy Daughter F 0 (6 MOS) 1851
Grantchester, Cambridgeshire
DASLAY, Thomas Lodger Wr M 66 1785 Farmers Labourer
Barton, Cambridgeshire
Piece: 1759
Folio: 832
Page: 1
Registration District: Chesterton
Civil Parish:
Municipal Borough:
Address: Gotobeds Farm
County: Cambridgeshire


Baptism
Day:9
Month:Mar
Year:1851
Forenames:Lucy Elizabeth
Surname:Smith
Relationship:dau of
Father forenames:William
Fathers occupation:farm bailiff
Mother forenames:Elizabeth
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Abode:of Granchester
Place:Toft
County:Cambridgeshire
Record source:Cambridgeshire Baptisms

Chris :)

edits ( from Toft, St. Andrew, Parish cd, Witnesses at 1850 Marriage, William Parker, Jane Smith, William Arbor, Lucy Smith)

aaargh.
I am losing the plot.

If I assume my birth cert is correct and his marriage cert then his parents should be Elizabeth and William and he should be about 6 years old but I cant find William Smith born approx 1854 in the 1861 census let alone with his parents

?????

William Smith, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: William Smith
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Lock
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 23 Jun 1850
Event Place: Toft, Cambridge, England
Father's Name: Henry Smith
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Robert Lock
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13050-1
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1040559
Reference ID: 2:3P1PM5T
Sources

thanks safc
this doesnt then fit with the birth certificate I have not unless it is completely a different person

William Smith in household of William Smith, "England and Wales Census, 1871"
Name: William Smith
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 16
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Surrey
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Lambeth
Sub-District: Kennington 2nd
Parish: Lambeth
County: London, Surrey
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self William Smith M 50 Southern Grounds, Surrey
Wife Sarah Smith F 34 Surrey
Son William Smith M 16 Surrey
Son John H Smith M 16 Surrey
Son Richard Smith M 14 Surrey
Daughter Hannah Smith F 13 Surrey

Forget that 1863 marriage. He married Matilda Ann Barwood/Burwood.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about William Joseph Smith Name: William Joseph Smith
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Matilda Ann Barwood
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Jul 1863
Parish: Stepney St Thomas
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Smith
Spouse Father Name: Henry Barwood
Register Type: Parish Register

hi margee
the 1871 census says that elizabeth was born in croydon
does this fit?
is mile end where they were married?

But the William Smith / Elizabeth Lock marriage wasn't until 1863.

Marriages Sep 1863 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Burwood Matilda Ann Mile End 1c 1047
LOCK Elizabeth Mile End 1c 1047
Mitchell William Andrew Mile End 1c 1047
Smith William Joseph Mile End 1c 1047

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Edit: Oops sorry another one 1850:

Marriages Jun 1850 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Lock Elizabeth Caxton 14 39
SMITH William Caxton 14 39

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Prickly,
Marriage date July 8th 1877 both 'full' age
all his address is listed as is Thornton Heath Croydon - married in Christchurch after Banns read.
Fathers occ was 'labourer' and the witnesses were
William Baker
Annie Elton

What is William's address on the marriage cert?

What was his Father's occupation and who were the witnesses?

thanks maddie