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Hi all,
info I have
William Smith married Sarah Crook 8/07/1877 croydon
Father name William Smith
I had a potential birth for William in 1854 but I am not sure if it is him. It says his fathers name was William ( a sin marriage cert) and Mothers name Elizabeth Lock but I really do not know if this is his parents or not as lack evidence so any info you can find on him and previous gens would be so helpful
thanks in advance
Kevin :-D

I guess i need to find a william smith father living with a william smith son in the 1871 census since he was married in 1877???

for ref

ame: SMITH, William

Registration district: [?] Croydon

County: Surrey

Year of registration: 1877

Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep

Spouse's last name Not available before 1912

Volume no: [?] 2A

Page no: [?] 335
MarriageFinder™: [?] William Smith married one of the following people Record
COWLER, Ellen VIEW
CROOK, Sarah Ann VIEW


1881 ???
SMITH, William Head Married M 26 1855 Labourer
Croydon, Surrey VIEW
SMITH, Sarah A Wife Married F 26 1855
Melsham, Wiltshire VIEW
SMITH, Philip H Son Single M 3 1878
Croydon, Surrey VIEW
SMITH, Florence M Daughter Single F 1 1880
Croydon, Surrey VIEW
PURDY, George Lodger Single M 25 1856 Labourer
Epsom, Surrey VIEW

Piece: 817

Folio: 22

Page: 22

Registration District: Croydon

Civil Parish: Croydon

Municipal Borough:

Address: 15, Crescent Rd, Croydon

County: Surrey
refine search back to 1881 census search results

1861 ??????
SMITH, Thomas Head Widower M 76 1785 Agricultural Labourer
Merstham, Surrey VIEW
SMITH, William Son Married M 32 1829 Agricultural Labourer
Coulsdon, Surrey VIEW
SMITH, Sophia C Daughter In Law Married F 27 1834
Islington, Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, William Grandson M 7 1854 Scholar
Coulsdon, Surrey VIEW
SMITH, Mary Granddaughter F 5 1856
Coulsdon, Surrey VIEW
PERCIFULL, Fanny Nursechild F 0 (9M) 1861
Coulsdon, Surrey VIEW

Piece: 447

Folio: 40

Page: 6

Registration District: Croydon

Civil Parish: Coulsdon Surrey

Municipal Borough:

Address: Waddington Street, Coulsdon Surrey

County: Surrey

Possible? Mother is a widow:

1871 England Census
about William Smith Name: William Smith
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration District: Croydon
Sub-registration District: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household Schedule Number: 56
Piece: 843
Folio: 10
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Smith 48
William Smith 16
Ann Smith 14

thanks Maddie - I already have the marriage and I have the 1881 census- the 1861 cant be him as it has the wifes name as Sophia and the fathers name as Thomas and I know that they are Sarah and William but thanks for trying :-)

Hi Margee,
Thank you
I saw that one as well but I cant seem to find any other record of his father William - I think it might be him but need another piece of evidence :-D

there is this baptism

Name: William Smith
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 14 Jan 1855
Christening Place: Christ Church, Croydon, Surrey, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Smith
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02209-6
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 994339
Reference ID: item 2 p 14

thanks maddie

What is William's address on the marriage cert?

What was his Father's occupation and who were the witnesses?

Hi Prickly,
Marriage date July 8th 1877 both 'full' age
all his address is listed as is Thornton Heath Croydon - married in Christchurch after Banns read.
Fathers occ was 'labourer' and the witnesses were
William Baker
Annie Elton

But the William Smith / Elizabeth Lock marriage wasn't until 1863.

Marriages Sep 1863 (>99%)
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Burwood Matilda Ann Mile End 1c 1047
LOCK Elizabeth Mile End 1c 1047
Mitchell William Andrew Mile End 1c 1047
Smith William Joseph Mile End 1c 1047

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Edit: Oops sorry another one 1850:

Marriages Jun 1850 (>99%)
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Lock Elizabeth Caxton 14 39
SMITH William Caxton 14 39

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hi margee
the 1871 census says that elizabeth was born in croydon
does this fit?
is mile end where they were married?

Forget that 1863 marriage. He married Matilda Ann Barwood/Burwood.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about William Joseph Smith Name: William Joseph Smith
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Matilda Ann Barwood
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Jul 1863
Parish: Stepney St Thomas
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Smith
Spouse Father Name: Henry Barwood
Register Type: Parish Register

William Smith in household of William Smith, "England and Wales Census, 1871"
Name: William Smith
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 16
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Surrey
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Lambeth
Sub-District: Kennington 2nd
Parish: Lambeth
County: London, Surrey
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self William Smith M 50 Southern Grounds, Surrey
Wife Sarah Smith F 34 Surrey
Son William Smith M 16 Surrey
Son John H Smith M 16 Surrey
Son Richard Smith M 14 Surrey
Daughter Hannah Smith F 13 Surrey

thanks safc
this doesnt then fit with the birth certificate I have not unless it is completely a different person

?????

William Smith, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: William Smith
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Lock
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 23 Jun 1850
Event Place: Toft, Cambridge, England
Father's Name: Henry Smith
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Robert Lock
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13050-1
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1040559
Reference ID: 2:3P1PM5T
Sources

aaargh.
I am losing the plot.

If I assume my birth cert is correct and his marriage cert then his parents should be Elizabeth and William and he should be about 6 years old but I cant find William Smith born approx 1854 in the 1861 census let alone with his parents

(possibly the 1850 couple below)

1851
SMITH, William Head Married M 38 1813 Farmers Bailiff
Hilton, Huntingdonshire
SMITH, Elizabeth Wife Married F 28 1823 Bailiffs Wife
Croydon, Surrey
SMITH, Lucy Daughter F 0 (6 MOS) 1851
Grantchester, Cambridgeshire
DASLAY, Thomas Lodger Wr M 66 1785 Farmers Labourer
Barton, Cambridgeshire
Piece: 1759
Folio: 832
Page: 1
Registration District: Chesterton
Civil Parish:
Municipal Borough:
Address: Gotobeds Farm
County: Cambridgeshire


Baptism
Day:9
Month:Mar
Year:1851
Forenames:Lucy Elizabeth
Surname:Smith
Relationship:dau of
Father forenames:William
Fathers occupation:farm bailiff
Mother forenames:Elizabeth
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Abode:of Granchester
Place:Toft
County:Cambridgeshire
Record source:Cambridgeshire Baptisms

Chris :)

edits ( from Toft, St. Andrew, Parish cd, Witnesses at 1850 Marriage, William Parker, Jane Smith, William Arbor, Lucy Smith)

On the 1871 census that Margee posted, that William had a sister called Ann born 1857.

There was an Ann Smith baptised in Thornton Heath, Croydon with parents William and Elizabeth.

Ann Smith, born 1857 got married to William Streetfield in Croydon 1878
The witnesses on her marriage certificate are William and Sarah Ann Smith. These look the same as those signed on William Smith and Sarah Ann Crooks wedding.