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Thanyou so much for all your help. The continual name change is what mafde it so difficult for me to find anything. Thanks again I can now go forward.

Thanyou so much for all your help. The continual name change is what mafde it so difficult for me to find anything. Thanks again I can now go forward.

Not having any luck finding John Samuel; Norah or Florence Rose in the 1911.

To complete the circle, Norah's first marriage:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915

Name: Martin Cantwell
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1876
Registration District: Holborn
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 1133

Records on Page:
Name
Martin Cantwell <<
Honora Cole <<
Edward Russell
Bridget Sullivan

Norah with her first husband in 1891 (proves she's lopped a few years off her age on the 1901) - name is Cantwell on image

CAMWELL, Martin Head Married M 34 1857 French Polisher Holborn, London
CAMWELL, Norah Wife Married F 31 1860 Holborn, London
CAMWELL, Rebecca Daughter F 13 1878 Scholar Holborn, London
CAMWELL, Stephen Son M 11 1880 Scholar Marylebone, London
CAMWELL, Margaret Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar Clerkenwell, London
CAMWELL, Elizabeth Daughter F 5 1886 Holborn, London
CAMWELL, Joseph Son M 3 1888 Holborn, London
CAMWELL, Louisa Daughter F 1 1890 Holborn, London

Piece: 221 Folio: 40 Page: 18
Registration District: Holborn
Civil Parish: Saffron Hill Hatton Garden Ely Rents and Ely Place

Address: 81, Great Saffron Hill, Saffron Hill Hatton Garden Ely Rents And Ely Place, Holborn
County: London

This 1901 shows we've gone full circle and the Cantwells ARE connected and it looks like Nora IS Florence's mother (despite what the London baptism says) and the 1901 marriage that safc found IS correct.

VICKERS, Geo Ed Head Married M 29 1872 Coal Miner Hewer Horbury, Yorkshire
VICKERS, Gertrude Wife Married F 31 1870 Leeds, Yorkshire
VICKERS, Edwin Hy Son M 3 1898 Chickenley, Yorkshire
CANTWELL, Nora Visitor Widow F 34 1867 Polisher Athletic Goods London
CANTWELL, Joseph Visitor Single M 13 1888 Scale Picker Coal Pit London
CANTWELL, Flora Rose Visitor F 3 1898 London <<<<<<<
CANDELL, John Visitor Single M 15 1886 Scale Picker Coal Pit London
CANDELL, Reuben Visitor Single M 13 1888 Scale Picker Coal Pit London
CANDELL, Ethel Visitor F 12 1889 Bradford, Yorkshire

Piece: 4273 Folio: 54 Page: 23
Registration District: Dewsbury
Civil Parish: Ossett cum Gawthorpe


Address: South Parade South Leigh, Ossett Cum Gawthorpe
County: Yorkshire (West riding)

This is strange, I strongly suspect that this is the death of Mary Ann Jessie Caudell (nee Duck) with both variants of the name being used:

Deaths Jun 1894
Candell Mary Ann J 32 St. Olave 1d 146
Caudell Mary Ann J 32 St. Olave 1d 146

BUT - Florence Rose wasn't born until 1897 and mother's name is Mary Ann on baptism?

1891 (The middle initial T on the image is written the same way as the S in the lodger's name. Wife is using one of her middle names - where is Florence? (EDIT - daft question, she wasn't born yet)

CAUDELL, John T Head Married M 27 1864 Lawn Tennis Bat Maker Kenington
CAUDELL, Jessie Wife Married F 29 1862 Bermondsey
CAUDELL, Tryphosa J Daughter F 6 1885 Peckham
CAUDELL, John T Son M 5 1886 Peckham
CAUDELL, Reuben H Son M 3 1888 Peckham
CAUDELL, Ethel R Daughter F 2 1889 Bradford, Yorkshire
DUDE, Florence Sister Single F 23 1868 Book Keeper Bermondsey
TOZER, John S Boarder Single M 17 1874 Rackett Ball Maker Clerkenwell

Piece: 1280 Folio: 146 Page: 53
Registration District: Chesterton
Civil Parish: Chesterton

Address: 6, Occupation Road, Chesterton, Cambridge County: Cambridgeshire

Marriages Dec 1843 (>99%)
Aldridge James Reading 6 417
Allen Truphosa Reading 6 417 S xxxxxxx
CAUDELL Daniel Reading 6 417 xxxxxx
Lampard Charlotte Reading 6 417
Luker Elizabeth Reading 6 417
Seymour Rachel Reading 6 417
TOWNSEND William Reading 6 417
Webb William Reading 6 417

Name is Caudell on image of 1871:

CANDELL, Tryphosa Head F 49 1822 Berkshire
CANDELL, Hannah Sidway Daughter F 20 1851 Berkshire
CANDELL, Reuben Son M 17 1854 Surrey
CANDELL, Walter Son M 12 1859 Surrey
CANDELL, Frederick Son M 7 1864 Surrey
CANDELL, John Samuel Son M 6 1865 Surrey
GREGGS, Samuel Boarder M 44 1827 Essex

Piece: 667 Folio: 70 Page: 25
Registration District: Lambeth
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Municipal Borough: Lambeth

Address: 73 Devonshire St, Lambeth County: London, Surrey

Her father's baptism:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: John Samuel Candell
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 6 Apr 1870
Father's Name: Daniel Candell - Sawyer (Lawyer?)
Mother's Name: Tryphosa Candell
Parish or Poor Law Union: Kennington
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: 4 Smith Street

They do keep switching the spelling!

Her parent's marriage:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: John Samuel Caudell - Lawn Tennis bat maker of 40 Rushall Street
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Age: 19
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Jessie Duck of 58 Clayton Street
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 May 1884
Parish: Lambeth St Philip
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Danah Caudell (deceased) - Lawyer (or could be sawyer)
Spouse Father Name: Frederick Duck - Leather dresser
Register Type: Parish Register

Neither previously married.

Witnesses: John Cummings and Mary Sarah Hunt.

I think this is John in 1901 - name looks like Cordell on image:

CLARKE, Louisa Head Widow F 41 1860 Tailoress Crewe, Cheshire
CRAVEN, Furness Boarder Single M 28 1873 Iron Turner Halifax, Yorkshire
CODELL, John Boarder Widower M 36 1865 Athletic Outfitter Kennington, London

Piece: 3623 Folio: 77 Page: 13
Registration District: Bolton
Civil Parish: Bolton

Address: 6, Todd Street, Bolton County: Lancashire

EDIT: Bolton is where he married Norah Cantwell nee Cole later that year.

Florence Rose' baptism:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Florence Rose Cordell
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 17 Nov 1897 (born 1 Nov)
Father's Name: John Cordell - Lawn Tennis Maker
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Cordell
Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark St Agnes
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: 6 Royal Terrace.

Given that her father was a racquet maker when she (eventually) married then this must be the same girl - her mother isn't called Norah, though.

According to Florence Rose's marriage in 1917 her deceased father had been a Racquet Maker. They hadn't got as far as completing his occupation on the aborted 1915 marriage.

????

Births Dec 1897 (>99%)
Cordell Florence Rose St. Saviour 1d 150


Births Jun 1865 (>99%)
Caudell John Samuel Lambeth 1d 362

could this be her mum??

Name: Nora Caudell
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1915
Age at Death: 54
Registration District: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 159

have you found Florence's birth cert cos I,m not seeing it

Hi Reggie yes I have looked for a death but can,t find one

Thanks Shirley I was a year out