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Astra....I think I am grasping at straws and going boggle eyed!

Or, something else is afoot

I thought she was Elizabeth Westwood before she married!

What do you girls think to this being a possibility for Elizabeth?


1841 England Census

Name:Elizabeth Chelingsworth

Age:15

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1826

Gender:Female

Where born:Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish:Northfield

Hundred:Halfshire (Upper Division)

County/Island:Worcestershire

Registration District:Kings Norton

Sub-registration District:Edgbaston


Piece:1197
Book:20
Folio:24
Page Number:13

Household Members:


William Smith 20
Maria Smith 35
Elizabeth Chelingsworth 15
Isabella Chelingsworth 13
Emma Chelingsworth 10
Thomas Chelingsworth 7
Joseph Smith 2


Edit: There is a Abraham Chelingsworth listed under Elizabeth?

Thanks Chris that would be the one who was born and died in the march quarter of 1851. There is also another one listed in March quarter 1851.

Burial (Find My Past)
First Name: Wilson
Last name: SMITH
Date of burial 21 Mar 1851
Age at death: 3 Weeks
Calculated year of birth: 1851
Place of burial Evesham
Dedication: All Saints
County: Worcestershire
Evesham All Saints:
Denomination: Anglican
Coverage 1660 - 1851
Data provider: Birmingham and Midland Society for Genealogy and Heraldry

Chris :)

I'm not sure Gins.
I can't find Elizabeth or Wilson in 1861 but John Westwood born 1846 is with his Westwood Grandparents.
There are a couple of deaths of Wilson Smiths in Evesham between 1851 and 1861 but as there were no ages given it is impossible to tell without the certificate if it is the right one or not.
I also can't find a trace of William Smith her husband the shoemaker unless he had re-married!

Oooh Astra, that looks very promising

Then there is this......is it the same Elizabeth and son John?



1851 England Census

Name:Elizabeth Westwood

Age:26

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1825

Relation:Wife

Spouse's Name:Joseph Westwood

Gender:F (Female)

Where born:Northfield, Worcestershire, England


Civil Parish:Harborne

Ecclesiastical parish:St Peter

County/Island:Staffordshire

Registration District:Kings Norton

Sub-registration District:Harborne

ED, institution, or vessel:1c


Household Schedule Number:22

Piece:2050

Folio:61

Page Number:7

Household Members:



Joseph Westwood 50
Elizabeth Westwood 26
Laura Westwood 9
Henry Westwood 8
John Westwood 6
Charles Westwood 4
Sarah Ann Westwood 7 Mo


:-S

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Births Mar 1849 (>99%)
SMITH Wilson Evesham 18 411
Births Mar 1851 (>99%)
SMITH Wilson Evesham 18 405

1851 census

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2044
Folio: 181
Page: 12
Reg. District: Evesham
Sub District: Evesham
Parish: Saint Lawrence
Enum. District: 8B
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Evesham
Address: Church Yard, Saint Lawrence, Evesham
County: Worcestershire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SMITH, Elizabeth Head Married F 26 1825 Chairwoman
Evesham, Worcestershire
WESTWOOD, John Son M 5 1846 Scholar
Evesham, Worcestershire
SMITH, Wilson Son M 2 1849 At Home
Evesham, Worcestershire

If the 1936 death is his...........he was still thought to have been born c1855........................but, that proves nothing, of course.

Have you found a birth record for him?

This is the closest I can find using his full name. He could have told porkies about his age when he married?


Births Sep 1863
SMITH William Wilson Dudley 6c 40

There is no record of a baptism on FMP.

Nor on familysearch

I can't comment re Ancestry, as I don't subscribe

So it would mean a visit to the Records office, and with no idea of where in Worcestershire he was born, a virtually impossible quest.

Have you proved that the 1848 marriage actually was between the people you name?

Marriages Jun 1848 (>99%)
HOPKINS Richard Evesham 18 469
Morriss Ann Evesham 18 469
SMITH William Evesham 18 469
WESTWOOD Elizabeth Evesham 18 469


Isn't the father's occupation recorded on the marriage cert?

Who were the witnesses?

Have you looked for info about the parents in NZ records?

Thanks everyone.
i don't know william wilson Smiths dads occupation.

i believed WW smith emigrated to NZ from UK with his whole family and I will have to look up the immigration records into NZ - thanks for that tip.

There are two records of marriages between WW smith and elizabeth westwood - one in 1842 and also in 1848 - both in worcestershire.

I can't find a 1851 census confirming his parents marriage and the first of many probable siblings of WW smith.

If anyone has access to worcestershire parish records - can you please have a look for me to see if we can track down any siblings and confirm his parents?
Thanks. any help is appreciated. :-)
Ann

Thread title says born c1855

1842 marriage posted...........................see above

The man being sought married in New Zealand......see OP's posts

There is a tree on Ancestry which has a bit on the Elizabeth Westwood who married in Halesowen in 1842. The only thing it has for William is the marriage.

County Worcestershire
Place Halesowen
Church St. John the Baptist
RegisterNumber 345
MarriageDate 23 Dec 1842
GroomForename William
GroomSurname SMITH
GroomAge
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation shoemaker
GroomAbode Hawne
BrideForename Elizabeth
BrideSurname WESTWOOD
BrideAge
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation dress maker
BrideAbode Hawne
GroomFatherForename George
GroomFatherSurname SMITH
GroomFatherOccupation puddler
BrideFatherForename Thomas
BrideFatherSurname WESTWOOD
BrideFatherOccupation puddler
WitnessOneForename Thomas
WitnessOneSurname WESTWOOD
WitnessTwoForename Ann
WitnessTwoSurname WESTWOOD
Notes
FileNumber 34567

Have you any idea when he was born? When you say he emigrated with his family do you mean with his parents?

Death
1936/21334 Smith William Wilson 81Y
1933/2184 Smith William Wilson 56Y

https://bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/

Chris :)

Name: William Smith

Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Westwood

Event Date: 23 Dec 1842
Event Place: Halesowen,Worcester,England


Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01376-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 0599888 IT 4, 886632, 886633, 886634, 886635, 886636, 886637, 886638
Reference ID:

Emigration records are not available before 1890. You will need to look for immigration at the NZ end

There is also a possible marriage for the parents in 1842..................