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could anybody help with more information about James Frederick Lester born 1896 Bethnal Green can not find any information about him prior to his marriage.
thanks denise

Hello Denise

Maybe.....

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about James Frederick Lester :

Record Type:
Baptism

Baptism Date:
22 Dec 1895

Father's Name:
James Lester

Mother's Name:
Adelaide Lester

Parish or Poor Law Union:
South Hackney Christ Church

Borough:
Hackney

Register Type:
Parish Registers

Address.....8 Wadeson St

Father....Cabinet Maker


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name:
James Lester .........Cabinet Maker

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1872

Age:
22

Spouse Name:
Adelaide Daniels

Spouse Age:
21

Record Type:
Marriage

Event Date:
10 Dec 1894

Parish:
South Hackney Christ Church

Borough:
Hackney

Father Name:
James Lester....Cabinet Maker

Spouse Father:
George Daniels.....Labourer


Both living at 4 Wadeson St at time of their marriage


Misty x

When and where did he marry and have you got the cert ?

How do you know when and where he was born if you don't have any info prior to his marriage?

Possible Army pension record

Name: James Frederick Lester
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895 Age at Enlistment: 19
Birth Parish: St Pancras Birth County: London
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 12549
Regiment Name: Bedfordshire Regiment
Number of images: 7

Next of kin given as father James and mother Adelaide

If he died in 1957 then administration went to Iris Patricia Norris and Rosina Hilda Clayden


What else do you know about him

Did he marry Dorothy Biggs in 1915 ?

The names Glitterbaby gives from administration of the estate match births to the Biggs marriage ...

Wise to give the information one has rather than say what information one does not have when asking for help! :-D

He likely went by Frederick to distinguish him from his father.

I would say this is him in 1911.

Name: Frederick Lester
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Grandchild
Birth Place: Leyton, Essex, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Street Address: 2 Hargrave Place, Brecknock Road
Occupation: ERRAND BOY
Registration District: St Pancras

Adelaide Daniels 68 widow housekeeper
Frederick Lester 14 grandchild
George Lester 9 grandchild visitor

It seems like his mother Adelaide Daniels was named for her mother.


it appears that Adelaide the grandmother, above with the grandsons, is the housekeeper for this household at the same address
John Armes 67
Thomas Armes 64
as she was in 1901.

his mother in 1881

Name: Adelaide Daniels
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: George Daniels
Mother: Adelaide Daniels
Where born: Leyton, Essex, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Layton

which pretty much has to make her this one in 1901 in spite of the husband's name being off!

Name: Adelade Lester
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: George Lester
Birth Place: Leyton, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London

George Lester 29 born Islington, polisher
Adelade Lester 28
Rose Lester 4 born Bethnal Green
Fred Lester 6 born Bethnal Green

Hello Denise and welcome to the Community Boards. :-)







As Denise is a fairly new poster, I'll let her know that she has replies to her query. :-)

tree on ancestry has father as James Lester

Birth
1872 1 Jul
Islington
Baptism
1872 28 Jul
Islington St Marys

Education
1879 6 Oct Age: 7
Wolverley St School Lower Hamlet admitted age 7

Employment
1891 Age: 19
Bethnal Green

Cabinet Maker

Marriage to Adelaide Daniels
1894 10 Dec Age: 22
Hackney Christ Church
Robert William Daniels witness aged 18

Employment
1901 Age: 29
4 Cadiz Street Mile End Old Town
Polisher

Military
1902 25 Apr Age: 29
Dalston, Middlesex, England
living 398 Hackney Road.Joined 7th Batt of Royal Fusileers for 6 years.
Legally separated from Adelaide.

Employment
1902 Age: 30
Mr. J Hooper 103 Pritchards Row London
Cabinet Maker

Address
1926 Age: 54
Blundell st

Address
1928 Age: 56
64 Popham Road

Address
1933 Age: 61
23 Meadows Dwelling Bethnall Green
Cabinet Maker

Address
1946 Age: 74
Lofting Road

Death
1953 Age: 81
Hackney, Middlesex, England

mother Adelaide Daniels

Birth
1873 Dec
Leyton, Essex, England

Employment
1891 Age: 18
15 Cambridge Circus
Beaded Trimmings

Marriage to James Lester
1894 10 Dec Age: 21
Hackney Christ Church
Robert William Daniels witness aged 18

Address
1911 Age: 38
32 Cumberland St
with Florrie 5 and Rosie13

Death
1951 Age: 78
Islington

That is hard to follow ... but at the end it shows Adelaide Daniels Lester in 1911 with daughters Florrie and Rosie.

So that leaves James Frederick himself being the 'Frederick' in the household with his maternal grandmother Adelaide Daniels as I posted above. :-)

Who knows why father James was called George in 1901 ... maybe he was James George and called George (he had a son George seen in the 1911) as son James Frederick was called Frederick.

The information for father James in that tree

1901 Age: 29
4 Cadiz Street Mile End Old Town
Polisher

matches the 1901 census info I posted for George Lester at 4 Cadiz St, so there we are!

this seems to be him with parents in 1891 per Ancestry, he and his father both cabinet makers

Name: James Lester
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Lester
Mother's Name: Susan Lester
Where born: Islington
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green

so maybe he was called George to distinguish him from his father too :-)

sorry about that, have tried to space it out better
Maddie

thankyou for all your help, having never posted before on this site was not really sure what I should have put, however just to clarify things

My grandfather was Frederick James Lester born 01 01 1916, on his birth certificate, I have been told, he has father as James Frederick Lester and mother Dorothy Louis Biggs, so looking at the information I had I tried to work backwards but couldn't definitely match him to any previous generations that came before I did have the details of James and Adelaide and have now linked them.

Once again thankyou

all the fantastic information you have given has been brilliant, could I please ask does anyone know where James Lester b1872 was during the 1911 census?

If he was still wanting to call himself George I wonder whether this was him

MILITARY
LISTER GEORGE 1873 38 Andover Hampshire

I don't pay for details at the 1911census site and I can't find that person at Ancestry so far to see details.


edit, looks like not

Name: George Lister
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
> Birth Place: Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: South Tidworth
County/Island: Hampshire
Street Address: Candahar Military Barracks, Candahar Barracks, South Tedworth, Hants
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Soldier
Military Unit: 2nd Battalion Duke Of Wellington's Regiment
Registration District: Andover



The info that Maddie quoted says this about Adelaide Daniels Lester

Address
1911 Age: 38
32 Cumberland St
with Florrie 5 and Rosie13

but ...............

this is the household at 32 Cumberland St, Islington

Richard Lester 44 (abt 1867), horsekeeper, born Richmond Surrey
Adelaide Lester 31 (not 38, very clear) born Essex
Rosie Lester 13
Florrie Lester 5

however ... it says married 18 years, 5 children born, 5 living ... and that would likely fit Adelaide Daniels Lester. And there is no Richard Lester marriage to an Adelaide. And I can't see a birth to fit him.

Did Adelaide change partners regularly and give them all her surname? :-)

A Richard Henry Lester did marry in Bethnal Green in 1892, but not to an Adelaide.


There is no death or remarriage that fits Adelaide Lester after 1911.

I have seen cases in censuses of a household composed of a married woman and her children living with her new partner and the partner is recorded under their surname. I wonder whether this was the case, and possibly even in 1901 as well.

just to throw a spanner in the works there is this 1911 census
LESTER, James Head Married M 41 1870 Cabinet Maker Islington London VIEW
LESTER, Sarah Ann Wife Married16 years F 48 1863 Hackney London VIEW
LESTER, Caroline Daughter F 13 1898 School Bethnal Green London VIEW

RG number: RG14

Piece: 1443

Reference: RG14PN1443 RG78PN50 RD17 SD2 ED26 SN21

Registration District: Bethnal Green

Sub District: Bethnal Green South West

Enumeration District: 26

Parish: Bethnal Green

Address: 1 Turin Street Bethnal Green Road London E

County: London

if the tree on ancestry is correct he was legally separated from Adelaide in 1902

I'm probably barking up the wrong tree

the George in 1911 posted by JoonieCloonie was in the Duke of Welliington Regiment 2nd battalion, so probably not him

Maddie

Maddie

I saw that one last night but wasn't sure if to post, just came back and you have done....great minds...

It states on James's British Army WW1 pension records, dated 1902 "legally separated from wife" listed as single.

On the 25th April 1902 and for the12 months prior, James was residing at 398 Hackney Rd, Bethnal Green, according to WW1 records

He states NO children under the age of 14yrs !!!!

His father James lives at 28 Meadows Dwellings, Bethnal Green

Misty x

now makes me wonder who was Florries dad if she was born 1906/8 ?????
was he telling "porkies" ?
Maddie

there is a probate for James George Lester who died in Hackney 1953 posted in ancestry tree above

of 20 Netherwood Street Kilburn NW 6 died 3rd August at St Josephs Hospital Hackney
admin 22nd September to Eveline Bertha Burnell ( wife of Leonard James Burnell )
effects £880 10s 2d

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about James George Lester
Name: James George Lester
Probate Date: 22 Sep 1953
Death Date: 3 Aug 1953
Death Place: London, England
Registry: London, England

beneficalries

Name: BURNELL, Leonard J

Registration district: [?] Romford

County: Essex

Year of registration: 1928

Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep

Spouse's last name Lester

Volume no: [?] 4A

Page no: [?] 1401
View the original image

Name: LESTER, Evelyn B

Registration district: Romford

County: Essex

Year of registration: 1928

Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep

Spouse's last name: Burnell

Volume no: 4A

Page no: 1401

I am not sure that death is his as Evelyn Bertha lester appears to have been in 1904 in Cheshire to James Lester b 1873 Stepney London and Emily born 1875 Stepney
James is a salesman in 1911

James was not baptised with a middle name

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about James Lester
Name: James Lester
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 28 Jul 1872
Father's Name: James Lester - cabnet maker
Mother's Name: Susan Lester
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers

Maddie