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northwood
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20 Dec 2013 11:16 |
I am looking for the birth mother of my grandfather James Parkey born Hattersley Mottram Cheshire in 1860. I have been unable to find anything related to his birth, and wonder if he was born out of wedlock. I know his father was named William Parkey as this is on James Parkey's wedding certificate when he married Harriet Lomas born Doveholes Chapel-en-le-Frith Derbyshire 1881. I will be most grateful for any information on this matter. I have searched for this part of my family for many years, to no avail. Many thanks. William Derek Parkey.
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patchem
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20 Dec 2013 11:23 |
Have you found him on any censuses?
Who were the witnesses on the marriage certificate?
Thank-you
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rootgatherer
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20 Dec 2013 11:30 |
For ref.
1891
Name: James Parkey Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Harriet Parkey Gender: Male Where born: Hattersley, Cheshire, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Civil Parish: Ardwick Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas Town: Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Chorlton Sub-registration District: Ardwick ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3168 Folio: 37 Page Number: 23 Household Members: Name Age James Parkey 30 Harriet Parkey 28 William Parkey 9 Mary A Parkey 4 James Parkey 2 John Parkey 3 Weeks
1911
Name: James Parkey Age in 1911: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Mottran, Cheshire, England <<<<<<<<<<< Civil Parish: North Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 108 Crab Lane Hr Blackley Manchester Marital Status: Married Occupation: Farm Laberer Registration District: Prestwich Registration District Number: 467 Sub-registration District: Blackley ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Piece: 24231 Household Members: Name Age James Parkey 51 Harriat Parkey 49 Mary Alice Parkey 24 James Parkey 22 John Parkey 20 George Parkey 17 Alfred Parkey 13 Beatrice Parkey 11 Edith Parkey 9 Annie Parkey 7 Fred Parkey 4
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MargaretM
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20 Dec 2013 11:34 |
Possible? But parents are John & Ann.
1861 England Census about James J Parkey Name: James J Parkey Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Parkey Mother's Name: Ann Parkey Gender: Male Where born: Mottram in Longdendale Civil Parish: Mottram in Longdendale Ecclesiastical parish: Mottram County/Island: Cheshire Country: England
Registration District: Ashton Under Lyne Sub-registration District: Mottram ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 52 Piece: 3003 Folio: 33 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age John Parkey 26 Ann Parkey 30 James J Parkey 1 Wm Parkey 5 Months Sarah Platt 34 Catherine Platt 24
The Platts are wife's sisters.
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MargaretM
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20 Dec 2013 11:40 |
Still with parents John & Ann:
1871 England Census about James Parkey Name: James Parkey Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Parkey Mother's Name: Ann Parkey Gender: Male Where born: Mottram, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Mottram Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration District: Ashton Under Lyne Sub-registration District: Mottram ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household Schedule Number: 163 Piece: 4090 Folio: 41 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age John Parkey 58 Ann Parkey 40 James Parkey 11 William Parkey 10 Mary A Parkey 6 John Parkey 4 Thomas Parkey 3 Sarah Parkey 1
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patchem
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20 Dec 2013 11:40 |
? 1881 England Census James Parkey Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relationship to Head: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Hattersley, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: Jacksons Row Corp Fire Dept Occupation: Fireman (Munic) Registration District: Manchester Sub-registration District: Deansgate ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Piece: 3990 Folio: 52 Page Number: 13 Wilson Littledale 33 Emma Littledale 26 Florence Littledale 3 James Parkey 21 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3990; Folio: 52; Page: 13; GSU roll: 1341952.
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MargaretM
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20 Dec 2013 11:44 |
This one was born Hattersley, Cheshire but in 1857 and father is Thomas:
1871 England Census about James Parkey Name: James Parkey Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relation: Son Father's Name: Thomas Parkey Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Parkey Gender: Male Where born: Hattersley, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Matley Ecclesiastical parish: Mottram County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration District: Ashton Under Lyne Sub-registration District: Stayley ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household Schedule Number: 1 Piece: 4092 Folio: 178 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Parkey 46 Sarah Ann Parkey 43 Edward Parkey 24 George Parkey 18 John Parkey 16 James Parkey 14 Eliza Parkey 11 Hamos Parkey 10 Sophia Parkey 5 Tom Parkey 3
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greyghost
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20 Dec 2013 12:01 |
These 2 show up on Cheshire bmd site looking 1856-1864 http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk
Birth indexes for the years: 1856 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference PARKEY James Mottram Tameside BARKER MOT/10/90
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1859 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference PARKEY James Joseph Mottram Tameside PLATT MOT/12/41
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greyghost
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20 Dec 2013 12:07 |
Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: PARKEY, John Registration district: Ashton under Lyne County: Lancashire Year of registration: 1859 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 8D Page no: 744 MarriageFinder: John Parkey married one of the following people:
HOWARD, Sarah Jane PLATT, Ann <<<<<<<<<< SMITH, Thomas
EDIT not finding a Parkey/Barker marriage
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MargaretM
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20 Dec 2013 12:08 |
Curious! It's got to be one of those two but one had father John and the other Thomas but marriage certificate says William!
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greyghost
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20 Dec 2013 12:18 |
Famikly search is showing a marriage 19. May 1861 of a William Parkey to an Ann Schofield @ Ashton under Lynn (?Lyne)
Here it is in Cheshire bmd
Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1861 to 1865 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference PARKEY William SCHOFIELD Ann Ashton under Lyne, St Michael Tameside CE4/15/80
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greyghost
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20 Dec 2013 12:22 |
?? Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1860 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference SCHOFIELD James William Hartshead Tameside BESWICK HAR/27/51 SCHOFIELD James Stayley Tameside SCHOFIELD STY/9/67 <<<<<<<<<< SCHOFIELD John James Ashton Town Tameside BIBBY AST/50/13
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rootgatherer
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20 Dec 2013 12:34 |
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1861
Name: James Schofield Age: 11 Months Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Grandson Gender: Male Where born: Staleybridge, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Dukinfield Ecclesiastical parish: St John Town: Stalybridge County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration District: Ashton Under Lyne Sub-registration District: Dukinfield ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 50 Piece: 2996 Folio: 93 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age Betty Schofield 77 Fanny Schofield 37 Elizabeth Schofield 14 Joseph Schofield 6 James Schofield 11 Months
1851
Name: Betty Schofield Age: 66 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1785 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Joseph Schofield Gender: F (Female) Where born: Marsden, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Stayley Ecclesiastical parish: Stayley Town: Stalybridge County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration District: Ashton Under Lyne Sub-registration District: Mottram ED, institution, or vessel: 2d Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 7 Piece: 2239 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Schofield 69 Betty Schofield 66 Sarah Wood 47 Ann Schofield 31 <<<<<<<<<<<< Fanny Schofield 27 Henry Schofield 23 Elizabeth A Schofield 4 Amy Schofield 2
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MargaretM
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20 Dec 2013 12:42 |
By George I think you've got it, rootgatherer, born James Schofield before his parents married. That's assuming the father was the man she later married.
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rootgatherer
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20 Dec 2013 12:51 |
Might be worth buying the marriage certificate to get more detail?
Marriages Jun 1861 HOLLINGWORTH Mary Ann Ashton 8d 733 Parkey William Ashton 8d 733 SCHOFIELD Ann Ashton 8d 733 Stanney John Ashton 8d 733
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rootgatherer
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20 Dec 2013 12:55 |
Thanks Margee but credit to Stuart who found the the marriage of William Parkey and Ann Schofield on family search then found a birth for James on Cheshire BMDs.
I only then checked out the census. Blowed if I can see William and Ann on later census.
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PricklyHolly
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20 Dec 2013 13:11 |
To avoid confusion i have deleted my earlier post.
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rootgatherer
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20 Dec 2013 13:28 |
I was wondering if this the William who married Ann.
1871
Name: William Parkey Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Mottram, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Stayley Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Stalybridge County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration District: Ashton Under Lyne Sub-registration District: Stayley ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household Schedule Number: 12 Piece: 4092 Folio: 31 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age Sarah Wood 67 William Parkey 35, Widower
He seems to have remarried
1891
Name: William Parkey Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Hagar Parkey Gender: Male Where born: Mottram, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Stayleybridge Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Matley County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Ashton Under Lyne Sub-registration District: Dukinfield ED, institution, or vessel: 30 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3292 Folio: 119 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age William Parkey 52 Hagar Parkey 51 Martha Parkey 15 Sarah Parkey 13 James Goslin 46
Marriages Sep 1873 Gankroger Emma Jane B Ashton 8d 859 Gaukroger Emma J B Ashton 8d 859 Oldham William Ashton 8d 859 Parkey William Ashton under Lyne 8d 859 <<<<<<<<<<<<< Senior Hagar Ashton 8d 859 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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20 Dec 2013 13:36 |
This is the only death I can see for Ann but the age is out a bit?
Deaths Jun 1866 Parkey Ann 28 Ashton L 8d 405
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Deaths Jun 1896 Parkey William 5[83] Ashton 8d 355
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greyghost
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20 Dec 2013 13:38 |
Thought I'd posted this earlier. It would make her born 1837/8, a similar age to William found by Rootgatherer, but not for Ann Schofield
Civil Registration event: Death
Name: PARKEY, Ann Registration district: Ashton under Lyne County: Lancashire Year of registration: 1866 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Age at death: 28 Volume no: 8D Page no: 405
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