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This is the one I found, on the certificate his father was a park superintendent which I assume is the same as park keeper.

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I have found three marriages between a thomas carter and eliza all in 1904 not sure which one it could be can anyone help please?

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Which ones have you got, as I have:
Marriages Dec 1903
CARTER Thomas Johnson Basford 7b 293
Marriages Jun 1904
CARTER Thomas E. Retford 7b 29

but neither give a child called Walter.

This looks like Mary Ellen's birth (as in 1911 census)
Births Mar 1906
Carter Mary Ellen Ecclesall B. 9c 440
so would also confirm mother's maiden name.

The 3 I have found are Eliza Parry married in Nottinghamshire East Retford, Eliza Ratican married in Lancashire Prestwick and Eliza Smalley married in Lancashire Bolton. Thomas and Eliza's children are Thomas, John, Emma Elizabeth and Mary Ellen.

Thanks

Now we know the 1911 census is correct, then this may be Thomas in 1901 (it's the nearest I can see for the moment) ?

1901 England Census about Tom Carter
Name: Tom Carter
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Billinghay; Dale, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Babworth
Town: Ranby
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: Beechwood Farm

Occupation: Waggoner on the farm

Condition as to marriage: Single

Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Chester 50
Fley H Chester 47
Charles W Chester 23
Herbert H Chester 20
Robert Chester 18
Alice M Chester 16
Joseph Chester 14
George F Chester 12
Flay H Chester 9
Maude Chester 7
Edith M Chester 3
Nellie Chester 11 Months
Tom Carter 22


................as for a marriage (as stated before), you will need the birth certificate of one of the children to confirm mother's maiden name.

The census does put him in Nottinghamshire in 1901 so your Nottinghamshire marriage may be the fore runner, especially as the marriage was registered in E.Retford which is the reg.dist. for Babworth.

Taking a look for an Eliza Parry in 1901 census, there is this one, with same age and place of birth as Eliza married to Thomas in 1911 census, and she is living Sheffield, so this one is looking good:-


1901 England Census about Eliza Parry
Name: Eliza Parry
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Sister
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Awsworth, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Sheffield
Town: Shiregreen
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Cook ?

Condition as to marriage: Single

Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Parry 23
Clara Annie Parry 24
Clara May Parry 10 Months
Eliza Parry 22
Elizabeth Beard 20

There is also a birth that would fit with name Walter, although not same area:-

Births Mar 1915 (>99%)
Carter Walter Parry Birkenhead 8a 876

.............but with the job Thomas had, it is possible that he travelled quite a bit.

Brilliant thank you think we are on the right track with eliza parry :-)

Hi Clare,
I would strongly recommend though that you buy one of the birth certificates just to make sure as it would be a shame to go on and research Eliza Parry only to find at a later stage that it was incorrect and have to start all over again.

Billinghay, was registration district Sleaford so this could well be birth for Thomas:-

Births Mar 1879 (>99%)
Carter Tom Sleaford 7a 463

The district Sleaford is in the county of Lincolnshire
which covered Billinghay, Lincolnshire from 1837 - 1889

.............................which makes 1901 census I found even more likely to be correct.

Thanks we're applying for the birth certificate of Thomas Carter born 1910 as you say at least we will know for definite of the mother's maiden name.

:-)

Ok Clare, do let us know the outcome when you receive it please.
Good luck and fingers crossed.
Catherine

I will do unfortunately it takes about four weeks to get the certificates but I'll let you know, thanks again for your help :-D

Baptism
County Lincolnshire
Place Billinghay
Church St Michael
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 09 Feb 1879
Forename Tom
FatherForename Haywood
MotherForename Rebecca
FatherSurname CARTER
MotherSurname
Abode North Kyme
FatherOccupation Labourer

(can see above, if any help, from below)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

Burial
First name(s): Hayward
Last name: CARTER
Date of burial 9 Aug 1901
Age at death: 60
Calculated year of birth: 1841
Place of burial Chapel Hill
Dedication: Holy Trinity
County: Lincolnshire
Chapel Hill Holy Trinity:
Data provider: Lincolnshire Family History Society


(Brother)
County Lincolnshire
Place Tattershall
Church Holy Trinity
RegisterNumber 311
MarriageDate 18 May 1893
GroomForename Robert
GroomSurname CARTER
GroomAge 20
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Labourer
GroomAbode Boultham
BrideForename Rebecca
BrideSurname WELLS
BrideAge 23
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode Tattershall
GroomFatherForename Haywood
GroomFatherSurname CARTER
GroomFatherOccupation Labourer
BrideFatherForename Thomas
BrideFatherSurname WATSON
BrideFatherOccupation Labourer
WitnessOneForename David
WitnessOneSurname KEY
WitnessTwoForename Mary Ann
WitnessTwoSurname BOUCHER

Chris,
Thought Hayward was father of Tom, found them on census records:-

1881 England Census about Tom Carter
Name: Tom Carter
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Haywood Carter
Mother: Rebecca Carter
Gender: Male
Where born: Kyme Fen, Lincoln, England
Civil Parish: Tattershall
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street Address: Cottage

Registration District: Horncastle
Sub-registration District: Tattershall
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3252
Folio: 10
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Haywood Carter 41
Rebecca Carter 41
Rebecca Carter 11
Robert Carter 7
Haywood Carter 7
Emma Carter 4
Tom Carter 2

............................................

1891 England Census about Thomas Carter
Name: Thomas Carter
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Awood Carter
Mother's Name: Rebecca Carter
Gender: Male
Where born: Kims Fen, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Revesby
Ecclesiastical parish: Revesby
Town: Revesby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Registration District: Horncastle
Sub-registration District: Tattershall
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2600
Folio: 77
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Awood Carter 51 - Farm Foreman
Rebecca Carter 51
Awood Carter 17
Thomas Carter 13
Eva Carter 9
Joe Carter 5

................but, you will need to buy the marriage certificate for Thomas and Eliza to find out his father's name and occupation to confirm if above is correct.

Thank you Chris for this and again for your help Catherine :)

I have found a thomas carter born 1879 in the 1881census but this is for sleaford lincolnshire, would sleaford have covered billinghay does anyone know???

Clare,

Catherine put this information yesterday:

'The district Sleaford is in the county of Lincolnshire
which covered Billinghay, Lincolnshire from 1837 - 1889'

Sorry I meant to put spalding, Lincolnshire :-)

SPALDING REGISTRATION DISTRICT

Registration County : Lincolnshire.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.2.2003 (to become part of Lincolnshire registration district).
Sub-districts : Crowland, Deeping St. Nicholas, Donington, Gosberton, Moulton, Pinchbeck, Spalding
GRO volumes : XIV (1837–51), 7a (1852–1946), 3B (1946–74), 7 (1974–92).
Registers currently held at : Lincolnshire.

Civil Parishes

Cowbit
Crowland
Deeping St. Nicholas
Donington
Gosberton
Moulton
Pinchbeck
Quadring
Spalding
Surfleet
Weston