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Sorry not able to get back sooner - family business.

Great work. My discovery of Jane Devonald more to luck than anything else. What a twisted thread with this group. Is the Blanchard/Mayo marriage the 1884 Guildford one? Caroline and Henry not marrying because they were already married did not stop Jane from marrying.

Thanks - much appreciated

often the only "hospital" that was free was in the local workhouse .........


........... so people were put (or put themselves) in the hospital for treatment of an illness, but often showed on a census as an inmate of the workhouse.

I think Jane's secret was the same as Henry's.

She was a good deal older than her husband and adjusted her age accordingly. :-)

The Harris children in the household - one is 15 to her 33.

And they are the Harris children in question I think it's agreed .........

as Andrew posted

1881
Henry Harris 33
Jane Harris 43
> Arthur Harris 5
> Frederick Harris 3

1891
Thomas Mountfort 34
Jane Mountfort 33
> Arthur H Harris 15
> Frederick J Harris 13

1901 in Islington
Thomas Mountfort 43
Jane Mountfort 42

Deaths Mar 1909
MOUNTFORT Jane 71 Islington 1b 267

she did a good job of it until she died and it caught up to her :-)
... but didn't manage to trick biology into having more children ...

Thomas Mountfort in 1911 in Islington, aged 53, having left the garment trade to be a lay evangelist

Jane Mountfort in 1891 is 10 years younger than she was in 1881. If that is her I would love to know her secret. ;-)

UK, City and County Directories, 1766 - 1946 about Henry Harris
Name: Henry Harris
Street Address: Station road
Occupation: Butcher
Publication Title: 1890 Kelly's Directory
County: Middlesex
Country: England
Publication Year: 1890

The 3 baptisms where I could not read the address earlier could have been station rd. It definitley ended in ...on and word shape would be right.

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Births Jun 1884
Harris Daisy Caroline St. Olave 1d 204

Births Jun 1888
HARRIS Florry St. Olave 1d 244

Births Sep 1839
Devonald Jane Haverfordwest 26 564

Marriages Dec 1862
Bransford William James Kensington 1a 75
Devonald Jane Kensington 1a 75

Devonald is the surname Ed already had from a child's birth cert I suppose, too bad Ed has not returned

Deaths Mar 1909
MOUNTFORT Jane 71 Islington 1b 267

so Henry was widowed in 1911.

Looks like another child. Father is a butcher.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Leonard Robert Harris
Name: Leonard Robert Harris
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 21 Jun 1901
Father's Name: Henry Harris
Mother's Name: Caroline Harris
Parish or Poor Law Union: Walworth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

43 Clifton buildings

If they were all born as Harris's then that Blanchard marriage did not last very long...

Henry's age when he married Jane Bransford equates to 1848 dob

In 1881 he was 33 = 1848 dob

1848 dob in opening post

in 1901 his dob equates to 1856 ... not surprisingly as his 'wife' was much younger and people played with their ages for reasons like that all the time
(edit, and same thing in 1891 as just posted)

in 1911 he was 63 = 1848 dob

possibly in workhouse because of infirmity

I have found that sometimes people put themselves in the workhouse if yhey were no longer able to work perhaps through illness so that they were not a burden on the family.

1891 Address: 175, Tooley Street, Horsleydown, London
HARRIS, Henry Head Married M 36 1855 Butcher
Lambeth, London
HARRIS, Caroline Wife Married F 27 1864
Lambeth, London
HARRIS, Daisy Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar
Bermondsey, London
HARRIS, Henry Son M 5 1886 Scholar
Bermondsey, London
HARRIS, William Son M 3 1888 Scholar
Bermondsey, London
HARRIS, Flory Daughter F 1 1890
Bermondsey, London

This baptism caught my eye, because I was looking for anything with Mayo and Blanchard in them:

Emily Ann Elizabeth Blanchard
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 27 Jan 1891
Father's Name: George Alfred Mayo Blanchard
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Louisa Amelia Blanchard
Parish or Poor Law Union: Poplar All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

and this looks like the father
Births Sep 1865
Blanchard George Alfred Mayow Poplar 1c 647

So unrelated, probably.

We have not got Henry in 1891, and we have not got Caroline in 1891. Or Caroline in 1881.

She claims 15 children by 1911, so will some of these be born to Blanchard?
If so, what happened to them?

And why has Henry left her and is in the workhouse in 1911?

And what year of birth is he claiming in some of those censuses?

I am still looking.

yes patchem posted the Barlow baptism and noted that the other two were baptised on the same day :-)

birth certificate will give the info about the mother and is the only way to get it!

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Doris Jane Ivy Harris
Name: Doris Jane Ivy Harris
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 22 Sep 1899
Father's Name: Henry Robert Harris
Mother's Name: Caroline Jane Harris
Parish or Poor Law Union: Walworth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Robert William Harris
Name: Robert William Harris
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 22 Sep 1899
Father's Name: Henry Robert Harris
Mother's Name: Caroline Jane Harris
Parish or Poor Law Union: Walworth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

baptised same day as Barlow and father is a buther. I cnnot read the address but it is Walworth.

Jane Bransford in 1871 in St Bodolph without Aldersgate

William Bransford 28
Jane Bransford 33
Martha Bransford 8
Agnes Bransford 5
Elizabeth Davies 19

Deaths Mar 1873
Bransford William James 30 London C. 1c 15

widowed Jane Bransford married Henry Harris 1874

daughter Martha in 1881 in Clerkenwell

Martha Bransford 18
Thomas Bransford 8 brother to lodger

... boarding with Henry Harris, Butcher, and wife Jane in Clerkenwell:

Henry Harris 33 butcher born Lambeth
Jane Harris 43 laundress born South Wales Pembrokeshire
Arthur Harris 5
Frederick Harris 3
Margaret Jones 17 servant


Andrew had the right household early on, but because Ancestry has butchered the household you have to look at the image to make the connnection with Bransford to be sure

and I would agree with the Mountfort 'marriage' Andrew posted :-)

Caroline in 1871 in St James Clerkenwell, for good measure

Thos Mayo 42
Caro Mayo 40
Thos G Mayo 17
Minnie Mayo 14
Geo P Mayo 12
Eliza C Mayo 10
> Caro J Mayo 7
Ada E Mayo 3

I do think it's sorted :-)

Henry ... Harris and Caroline Jane Mayo did not marry because she was previously married

(only one Caroline Jane Mayo ever existed)

and apparently Henry was as well ... one or both of their spouses may not have been deceased

then in 1911 Henry's 'real' wife was deceased so he was a widower

the birth certificate for Barlow Harris would give conclusive info for his mother

Births Jun 1895
Harris Barlow Wandsworth 1d 716

for reference

1851 Address: 24, Tenison Street, Lambeth
HARRIS, Jabez Head Married M 36 1815 Butcher
Penrith, Gloucestershire
HARRIS, Margaret Wife Married F 32 1819
Southwark, Surrey
HARRIS, William Son M 7 1844
Christchurch, Surrey
HARRIS, Arthur Son M 6 1845
Lambeth, Surrey
HARRIS, Margaret Daughter F 4 1847
Lambeth, Surrey
HARRIS, Barlow Son M 2 1849
Lambeth, Surrey
HARRIS, Peter Son M 1 1850
Lambeth, Surrey
COURTENAY, Mary Servant Unmarried F 18 1833 House Servant
Cork, Ireland

Interesting as

Barlow Harris
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 22 Sep 1899
Father's Name: Henry Robert Harris
Mother's Name: Caroline Jane Harris

Barlow is one of the names of our Henry.