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The 4 living children were Norman, Joseph John, Mabel, and Thomas William.

In 1901 Norman's with some of his maternal relatives:

1901 Wales Census about Norman Russell
Name: Norman Russell
Age in 1901: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Beer, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Canton
Ecclesiastical parish: Canton St Paul
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration District: Cardiff
Sub-registration District: West Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 125
Piece: 4988
Folio: 60
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Tom Miller 46
Maria Miller 40
Jack Miller 10
Alex Miller 8
Ruby Miller 6
Orley Miller 4
Dorothy Miller 1
Norman Russell 18
William Onley 26



1911 Wales Census about Norman T Russell
Name: Norman T Russell
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Beer, E Devon
Civil Parish: Cardiff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 15 Devon, Place, Grangetown
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 5
Estimated Marriage Year: 1906
Occupation: Rigger Docks
Registration District: Cardiff
Registration District Number: 588
Sub-registration District: West Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household Schedule Number: 201
Piece: 32155
Household Members:
Name Age
Norman T Russell 28
Elizabeth Russell 27
Irene May Russell 4

John 1837's second marriage:

Marriages Sep 1881 (>99%)
MILLER Ann Exeter 5b 153
Russell John Exeter 5b 153


1891:


1891 England Census about Joseph Russell
Name: Joseph Russell
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Russell
Mother's Name: Ann Russell
Gender: Male
Where born: Beer, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Seaton and Beer
Ecclesiastical parish: Seaton and Beer
Town: Beer
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Axminster
Sub-registration District: Colyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1669
Folio: 137
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
John Russell 51
Ann Russell 40
Norman Russell 8
Joseph Russell 4
Mabel Russell 1


In 1911, they'd been married 29 yrs, and had had 7 children, three of whom had died.

i will send for the driver marr see what it tells me if im wrong got to change tree

Can't see any marriage between John & Mary Ann.
See above for marriage to Susan, plus subsequent censuses, and son John, born 1860. He's with his grandparents in 1871.

i have mary ann rowland born 1838 beer devon marr 1858 parents edward rowland and elizabeth leymam
poss my tree is wrong and he marr susan driver can you check please

1881 England Census about John Russell
Name: John Russell
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relationship to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Beer, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 9 Allan Tce Berridge Rd
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Carpenter

Registration District: Lambeth
Sub-registration District: Norwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 629
Folio: 72
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hitchcock 37
Emma Hitchcock 27
Helen F. Hitchcock
John Russell 20
Joseph Pring 24

John & Susan's son John is with his grandparents in 1871:


1871 England Census about John Russell
Name: John Russell
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Beer, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Beer and Seaton
Town: Beer
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration District: Axminster
Sub-registration District: Colyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household Schedule Number: 95
Piece: 2036
Folio: 101
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
John Russell 58
Mary Russell 62
William Fox 12 - grandson
John Russell 10 - grandson

Deaths Jun 1871 (>99%)
Russell Susan 33 Axminster 5b 13

1871 England Census about John Russell
Name: John Russell
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Lodger
Spouse's Name: Susan Russell
Gender: Male
Where born: Beer, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Beer and Seaton
Town: Beer
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration District: Axminster
Sub-registration District: Colyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household Schedule Number: 65
Piece: 2036
Folio: 98
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Northcotte 40
Susan Northcotte 40
George Northcotte 15
Elisabeth Northcotte 11
John Russell 34 - lodger
Susan Russell 33 - lodger

Are you sure John married Mary Ann? I can't see any marriage for them.

On the other hand, there's this:

Marriages Dec 1858 (>99%)

Driver Susan Axminster 5b 20
Russell John William Axminster 5b 20



1861 England Census about John Russel
Name: John Russel
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Susan Russel
Gender: Male
Where born: Beer, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Seaton and Beer
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration District: Axminster
Sub-registration District: Colyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 74
Piece: 1374
Folio: 73
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
John Russel 23
Susan Russel 22
John Russel 7 Months

Robert:


1861 England Census about Robert Russel
Name: Robert Russel
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Russel
Mother's Name: Mary Russel
Gender: Male
Where born: Beer, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Seaton and Beer
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration District: Axminster
Sub-registration District: Colyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 112
Piece: 1374
Folio: 75
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
John Russel 47
Mary Russel 50
William Russel 20
Robert Russel 11
Eliza Russel 9



1901 England Census about Robert Russell
Name: Robert Russell
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Julia Russell
Birth Place: Beer, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Sidmouth
Town: Sidmouth
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Russell 51
Julia Russell 45
Gertrude Perrott 45 - boarder
Arthur Perrott 15 - boarder

Jacob:


1871 Scotland Census about At Sea Jacob Russell
Name: At Sea Jacob Russell
Registration number: 312
Registration District: Montrose
Civil Parish: Montrose
County: Angus
Address: 117 Castle Street
ED: 5
Household Schedule Number: 26
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1871_58
Household Members:
Name Age
John Paull 25
Elizabeth S Paull 26
Marion J Paull 3
Mary Anne Paull 11 Mo
At Sea Jacob Russell
Margaret Russell 26
Jacob Russell 2



1881 England Census about Jacob Russell
Name: Jacob Russell
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Margaret Russell
Gender: Male
Where born: Bear, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Longbenton
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address: 190 Byker Street
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Driller In Shipyard (Ship Bldr)

Registration District: Tynemouth
Sub-registration District: Longbenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5085
Folio: 23
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
Jacob Russell 33
Margaret Russell 33
Jacob Russell 12
Mary A. Russell 5
James H. Russell 1



1891 England Census about Jacob Russell
Name: Jacob Russell
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret Russell
Gender: Male
Where born: Bear, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Longbenton
Ecclesiastical parish: Christ Church Walker
Town: Walker
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Tynemouth
Sub-registration District: Longbenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4231
Folio: 146
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
Jacob Russell 65
Margaret Russell 66
Mary A Russell 15
James H Russell 11



1901 England Census about Jacob Russell
Name: Jacob Russell
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Margaret Russell
Birth Place: Beer, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Walker
Town: Walker
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jacob Russell 55
Margaret Russell 56

1881 census
john 1838 listed as widow is there a death for mary ann ??

1841:


1841 England Census about John Rafael
Name: John Rafael
[John Russel]
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Devon, England

Civil Parish: Seaton
Hundred: Colyton
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration District: Axminster
Sub-registration District: Colyton
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 214
Book: 17
Folio: 11
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
John Rafael 25
Mary Rafael 30
John Rafael 4
William Rafael 4 Mo

A G
thank you very much
i will look through them all
thank you :-)

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Dorset, England, Crew Lists, 1863-1914 about Thomas Russell
Name: Thomas Russell
Birth Year: abt 1842
Birth Place: Beer
Age: 31
Event Date: 5 Aug 1873
Registry Port: Weymouth
Ship: Souvenir

1901 England Census about Thomas Russell
Name: Thomas Russell
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Maria Russell
Birth Place: Beer, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Beer
Town: Beer
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Russell 58
Maria Russell 58
Mary Russell 11
Henry Abbott 18 - nephew

1891 England Census about Thomas Russell
Name: Thomas Russell
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria Russell
Gender: Male
Where born: Seaton and Beer, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Seaton and Beer
Ecclesiastical parish: Seaton and Beer
Town: Beer
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Axminster
Sub-registration District: Colyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1669
Folio: 145
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Russell 48
Maria Russell 48