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Thanks guys -yes Winifred was the name of Henry's wife - they married in India (He was in the army) - This is why i was fiddling around trying to findl out if there were other family in Portsea at theat time. Can't work out why he would have been there really! He was back in Crediton by 1881 with his new 'wife' (Not married till later that year). His children from the Winifred marriage were back in Crediton too.

Henry was born 1836 Crediton.
Thats another thread though so please don't go there! people will have a go at me for duplicating else :(

You've all given me loads to work on/sort out -thank you very very much

Thanks guys -yes Winifred was the name of Henry's wife - they married in India (He was in the army) - This is why i was fiddling around trying to findl out if there were other family in Portsea at theat time. Can't work out why he would have been there really! He was back in Crediton by 1881 with his new 'wife' (Not married till later that year). His children from the Winifred marriage were back in Crediton too.

Henry was born 1836 Crediton.
Thats another thread though so please don't go there! people will have a go at me for duplicating else :(

You've all given me loads to work on/sort out -thank you very very much

The marriage to explain the Portsea death 1879 shown above by Joonie Cloonie.
It was posted by Ann CArdiff on one of fairlyfatfairy's other threads about the Strongs/Devines

Winifred Devine
India Marriages, 1792-1948

birth: 1851
marriage: 15 Jul 1867 —Kussowlie Bengal, India
parents: Patrick Devine
spouse: Henry Charles Howard Strong

record title: India Marriages, 1792-1948
groom's name: Henry Charles Howard Strong
groom's birth date: 1837
groom's age: 30
bride's name: Winifred Devine
bride's birth date: 1851
bride's age: 16
marriage date: 15 Jul 1867
marriage place: Kussowlie Bengal, India
groom's father's name: Charles Strong
bride's father's name: Patrick Devine
indexing project (batch) number: M02034-6
system origin: India-EASy
source film number: 499027

This recent thread gives links to the several others
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1336104

I took so long messing about with that post that Maryb got there already

... the baptism record from familysearch fits the info from the family tree

I should not post when I went without my afternoon coffee

Marriages Sep 1842
MARTIN Agness Okehampton 10 257
SMALE Agress Okehampton 10 257
STRONG Benjamin Okehampton 10 257

TWO Agnesses in that marriage list, how unlucky can you be !

since nobody questioned my good sense there I thought I should impugn it myself :-)

Agness Smale in 1841 still seems the most likely for the 1842 marriage

Name: Agness Smale
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Where born: Devon, England
Civil Parish: Okehampton
a servant

and this would seem like the most likely Agnes Martin in 1841

Name: Agness Martin
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Where born: Devon, England
Civil Parish: Poughill
County/Island: Devon
Registration District: Crediton
Philip Martin 27 farmer
Agness Martin 26
Richard Martin 6
William Martin 5
Mary Martin 2


all in all the 1842 marriage certificate seems the only way to find info about Benjamin

................. or

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMPK-NTY

Name: Benjamin Strong
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 27 Dec 1811
Christening Place: CREDITON, DEVON, ENGLAND
Father's Name: James Strong
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05074-3

:-)

searching within that batch, James and Mary baptised numerous other children in Crediton 1803-1828 (some a while after birth)

the only other boy (for surname considerations) was James baptised 1827, so Benjamin had father and brother James, may have been named for grandfather himself ?



we don't know when/where your Henry was born so what sort of connection there might be to Benjamin


this seems to be the only female Strong death in Portsea in 1879 and there is no marriage that would make her Henry's wife

Deaths Mar 1879
Strong Winifred 28 Portsea 2b 314

and can't see a Henry Strong born Crediton in censuses to fit someone with wife who died 1879 (all have wives before and after 1881)

Benjamin Strong christened 27/12/1811 son of James and Mary nee Phillips married 29/6/1802.

info off tree on ancestry so please check,it has Benjamin marrying Agness Smale 1842 and that his dad was James a tailor on the marriage record.
James born 1781-1877 and Mary 1780.

Maryb.

He was certainly the only other one available

Davis is a Surgeon and the neighbours in Chancery Lane are all barristers and solicitors and their servants it seems

that Benjamin strong could possibly have been a gardener ...

I have to go now as have kids to feed! but thanks so much for all your help -its really appreciated :)

I edited, I had messed up the relationships in 1841, yes, John seems to be the father in that household, James the school master would be the brother of Benjamin the printer, in Hampshire

Agness Smale was in Okehampton in 1841 but no sign of Ben in the vicinity !

Oh wow-thanks JoonieCloonie. I see now what you were getting at!

Not surprised he was in reformatory school -its beginning to sound like my family more by the minute!

fairlyfatfairy, in 1881 Benjamin's son is James (who is in reformatory school in 1861)

if that 1841 census I added is the right Benjamin, his father is James

>>> edit, sorry, that was very stupid of me, James in 1841 is obviously a brother, John is father, yes

that may well not be the right Benjamin (I agree) but it's the only one I've found

in 1871 Benjamin's son James was in the Royal Navy possibly

Name: James Strong
Birth: abt 1845 - Crediton, Devon, England
Residence: 1871 - Off Rock Ferry, Royal Navy, Cheshire, England

noting that in 1881 he was apparently recently married to a younger woman, with only a 3-yr-old child

The more I look at 1841 I'm not convinced its them - will get on igi later too -thanks

I agree (that it must be boot binder) -- in 1861 James is in the reformatory school and is a shoe maker

Name: James Strang
[James Strong]
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Crediton, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Brampford Speke
County/Island: Devon
Registration District: St Thomas

and the luck is that someone has corrected his name

James Strong rather than James Strang
Correction due to an error in transcription.
Submitted by mark14102 on 5/9/2010

so when you have a chance you can PM that Ancestry user and hope they are related and were not just being helpful - last signed in 2 days ago !

Benjamins Father can't be James -he's only 25? or is there an error in the transcription? What relation is John who is 70?I assumed John and harriet were parents of
James Benjamin and Harriet
and little Harriet was a child of Harriet or Ann?
def neef to go to library -thanks for all you've given me though

I still think it's boot binder.

OOH Joonie i Don't know - I will get to the Library at weekend if poss and have a look myself :) although they were living at a pub in 1881.

Thanks Joonie . Not sure - theres rather too many of them for my liking! Will have to draw out groups and plot them I think else it gets too confusing :)

could the 1881 actually say Book Printer & Publican (or possibly Publisher) for James Strong?

this would be consistent with Benjamin being a printer in 1841 and his father a school master, also his father being James is consistent with his son being James

I think 'Rivitur' is the better reading though although it's all a little odd

Census Occupations - Boot Binder

Description: Someone who worked in footwear industry working in the shoe industry operating the machines which bound shoes or boots.