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I'm sorry for the delay in saying thank you Flip for the census image which we found very interesting. My wife may start using ancestry.com for her own tree which will give us a better chance of finding info. Thanks for the tip.

Brian.

I found the census on ancestry - I'll find it again and PM the census image to you.

Check your messages, image has been sent. After looking at it, it actually says he is married (12 years), has had 4 children but 1 has died - although this is crossed out as it shouldn't have been recorded.

Thanks for that reminder about freebmd Flip, I seem to think I had used it some years ago but forgot all about it after a previous absence from the tree. Now you may have to hold my hand on this, but which web site are you using to get census info about William Huthwaite? I've tried the 1911 census search facility on GenesRU for William and have drawn a blank each time.

You must know something about this that I don't!! (which may not be too hard!!)

I have researched his second marriage to Elizabeth Salmond thoroughly and have come up with four children and also a direct link to another contact on GReU and this was with the help of freebmd.

Brian.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Put it in your favorites - absolutely invaluable when searhing England/Wales bmd

Hi Flip,

Thanks for the info which will possibly enable me to get a little closer to William, will now also search Elizabeth Salmond and any other possible children. Have not used freebmd previously, but doesn't mean I can't in future!!

Brian

There a few other things you could check out for William. There's a possible marriage in Nottingham 1916 to Elizabeth A Salmond, also a child born 1920, Violetta. Possible death, although age 2 years out, in Nottingham in 1939. All are on freebmd.

Brian, you say William disappeared and did not appear on any census - but he's on 1911 (age 32) along with his brother James (28), both carters. They along with 7 other men are all "visitors" at 45 Red Lion Street, Nottingham (South East).

He is down as single. It looks like it could be a boarding house and someone not on the census record signed the form - maybe the landlord?

Hi Wendy,

Thank you for that, it could be that we are at the end of the line with info about Mary Annie. We really appreciate your help in this and we will be keeping our eyes open for anything we may find.

Regards,

Brian.

Hi Brian,

See my post to you dated 23 Jan time 9.25 where I said the admission and Discharge Register's covering the years 1911-1919 are missing so no help there.
I've also had a look at the Creed Registers for the Scattered Homes where children were also sent and she's not in them. There are no other records for children's homes that I can find at Nottingham Archives but I'm still looking.

Wendy

After much research into my wife's family over the last few weeks, I have discovered (on the subject of where Mary Annie Huthwaite was sent) that as part of the Nottinghamshire Archives, there are records of the Board of Guardians who apparently took a hand in administering the workhouses and workhouse schools in the county.

Within these records there is a Nottinghamshire Admission and Discharge Register for the workhouses and homes in their care covering the years 1856 to 1920. According to their website these are available to view on microfiche.

Wendy: I know you have said you make research visits to the Archives from time to time, is the above info any use in trying to get answers about Mary Annie?

As we know the little girl's father William Huthwaite left the family and seems to have disappeared. He doesn't appear on any census records after his departure. Does anyone have any ideas as to how he might be located, all we know for sure is that he worked in various fairgrounds.

We do appreciate any help we can get, to know more about these people.

Kind regards,

Brian.

Wendy: Thank you for that, we do hope something turns up about where she was taken, and we hope Michael (Sidney's grandson) may know something.

Everyone: You have all been kind in taking an interest in this case, whatever else we manage to uncover we will put on the board.

Many thanks.

Brian.

Hi Brian,

Glad to have been of help. Mary still could have been in Nottingham Workhouse but as the records for the years we what are missing we will never know. I will keep looking to see if there are any other homes she could have gone too.
Maybe Sidney's grandson will know what happened, you never know.

All the best

Wendy

Hi Wendy,

You have done a magnificent job and have unearthed a great deal of info which my wife is very pleased to have. We have noted the date of Williams birth as being prior to the marriage, and this is confirmed from elsewhere. Those two lads must have had a wretched life don't you think? The finding of the will was wonderful, thank you. We are now in the process of getting the email address of Sidney's grandson in the hope that he may have old photos of interest.

As part of our research we obtained a copy of Edith and William's marriage certificate which we have found valuable. Our next focus will be to try and find out which home Mary (wife's mother) was taken to, there is a possibility that Barnados might play a part in this. We know from first hand that it was not the same place as her brothers.

My wife was very pleased to know that Edith was buried at Carlton Hill Cemetery, she lived close to there as a child but never knew her grandmother was there, neither did her mother. Its good to think that her brother and his wife eventually joined her there.

Many thanks again, I'm sure we'll be in touch again!

Kind regards,

Brian

nudge

Hi Brian and all

I’ve had a look for the workhouse records for Mary Ann Huthwaite but the register’s for admission’s and discharge records for the years 1911-1919 are missing and there are none after 1920 so as we know she was with her mother in 1911 those were the years we needed. Have also look at the Creed records for those years for the workhouse but she wasn't in them but they are more to do with the infirmary side of the workhouse. So have been unable to find anything on her.
The Workhouse School on Hartley Street also known as the Training Institution register’s only go up to 1913. I did find John William aged 9yrs and Sidney Huthwaite aged 7yrs admitted on 23 July 1909 notes says father William was away and mother Edith of 6 Dukes Terrace, Dawson St, notes also says John William 8 Dec 1900 19 Meadows Lane, and Sidney 10 April 1903 Queens Grove, Queens Walk. Maybe dates and places of birth, but not sure about the one for John W as on the bmd site as March Qtr 1900. They were both discharged on the 18 Dec 1911.
John William was again admitted on 23 June 1913 aged 12yrs from home
Did you know that Edith Kate E Tacey and William Huthwaite married in March Qtr 1901.

Edith’s Will:
This is the last Will & Testament of me Edith K E Huthwaite of 4 Welland Terrace, Woodhouse Street in the County of Nottingham. I give & Bequeath to William Mills of 4 Welland Terrace the Policy of Assurance of my life issued by the Royal London Mutual Insurance Society on the 13 February 1911 number 20481951 for the sum of £14.10.0 and that either he shall be at liberty to receive the amount due at my death under such policy of Assurance and that his receipt shall be a sufficient discharge for the same and I appoint the said William Mills of 4 Welland Terrace Excutor of this my Will and Testament.
Signed Edith Huthwaite
In witness where of I have hereunto set my hand this 15 day of July 1911.
Witness by Emma Wallace of 8 Welland Terrace & J. Higgins of 22 City Road, Dunkirk Nottingham.
Died 23 April 1914. Estate £14.0.0
5th May 1914 Probate granted to William May.

Also found that Edith was buried in Carlton Hill Cemetery on 27 April 1914 Section B G5 grave 7. Also in same grave was George Tom Tracey buried 2 April 1925 (her bother) and his wife Margaret Tacey buried 6 June 1962.
Sorry couldn’t be more help wtih Mary Ann Huthwaite.


If there is anything else I can help you with please let me know.

All the best

Wendy

Hope Wendy can find out more for you in the archives - look forward to reading the next episode!

This site takes a bit of getting used to, but I think you've got the idea now!! :-D

Flip: Thank you for the interesting info re Edith and the probate matter to William Mills, I will be adding this to my FT.

Wendy: Thanks for your help, will look forward to your visit to Archives, wife and I suffer from "tyranny of distance"!!

I hadn't realized that using the "send message" button on left was a PM. Meant to keep everything within the thread. Have used boards rarely, but learning fast!

Brian.

Hi,

there are what's called office copy's in big books at Nottingham Archives they go up to about 1930 so I can look that will up also when I'm in the Archives for Brian.

Wendy

Had a PM from Brian thanking for the info posted and asking about the probate record, so am posting the details:

Edith Kate Eliza Huthwaite
Probate Date:5 May 1914
Death Date:23 Apr 1914
Death Place:Nottinghamshire, England
Registry:Nottinghamshire, England

(Edith of) 4 Welland Terrace, Woodhouse Street, Nottingham (wife of William Huthwaite). Probate to William Mills, bricklayer. Effects £14 10s

There is no mention of a will, but you could always get that checked out (although it would cost £6, and I doubt a will existed):

http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills

Hi,

Wendy here, I know Nottingham archives have records for Nottingham workhouse so will check those for you, I'm not sure about other workhouse but will check when I'm in the archives sometime in the coming week.

Will get back to you when I know more.

Wendy