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just digesting all your information (think I will have need a lay down in a darkened room afterwards), it is some family, my grandmother if shes looking down must be chuckling away !! glad your enjoying the challenge, the second peerage case is news to us, we have alot of details of the first case, we think Eleanor Howard came up against the force of the british and irish aristocracy and didn't really stand a chance of winning, if you google the peerage case alot about it comes up, I have seen old pictures of Shelton Abbey it was a beautiful stately pile thinks its now some sort of reform school,
there was signet ring that belonged to my gt uncle that was mean't have had the Howard insignia on it, but when he was killed in a railway accident it was mean't to have been stolen, also my gt grandmother told her daughters that they should have all been riding around in carriages meaning in the days before cars they would have been a wealthy family, instead of a family who had its roots in the poorer side of London, so it all rests on any connection that can be found between my family the Cleggs and the Howards so far we haven't been able to find one, would love to find one as some of my family members used to ridicule my grandmother for trying to find out if the rumours were true. thankyou once again for all your detective help, its certainly a challenge

This is mum Harriett with her half sister Eleanor (aka Nelly Holmes) who married Horace Pitt, Lord Rivers,


Historical Records
1851 England Census about Harriett Richardson
Name: Harriett Richardson
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1818
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Old Windsor
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Windsor
Sub-registration district: Egham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 200
Piece: 1695
Folio: 269
Page Number: 48
Household Members:
Name Age
Eleanor Pitt 36
Harriett Richardson 33
Archibald Richardson 2 >>>> nephew born London
Harriett Jackson 23
James Mugridge 27
Emma Layton 19
Maria Themdel 42
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Original
Record

The inheritance that was left to Harriett who married Louis Staunton was from Lady Rivers, her aunt.

Harping back to W G Howard and his claim to the Earldom, in 1892 the judge stated that a secure bond of £350.00 would be needed for the case to go forward from W G Howard, this was for future costs. The amount was argued down from £1500.00, I don't think WG had the funds to proceed.

Have you managed to trace James Richardson? Must admit I haven't. I agree Lilly could have been his daughter, does make you wonder what happened to her.

I've looked for Willian G Howard b1863, I can't find anything else about him, seeing that he tried to make a claim on the Earldom in 1891/2 there must be something else out there about him?

It's a very interesting family, with lots of very interesting history.

Different reports say different things.

This one says he died in April 1877 in Guy's Hospital, but I can't see a record of it. Maybe Louis didn't bother to register the death:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2158458/Murder-starvation-It-scandalised-Victorian-Britain-chilling-book-tells-fortune-grabbing-husband-forced-heiress-wife-baby-die-hunger-.html

Maybe Lilly wasn't Harriet's daughter? Harriet had an older brother James - maybe she's his?

I think Thomas Henry Staunton died the following year. I also looked for Lilly, couldn't see anything though.

Edit a tree on ancestry has that he died 8th August 1877 Cudham Kent, then I also read that someone from the house took the child away before he could be harmed??? So pleased this isn't my family, I'd never sleep trying to sort this all out :-D :-D

An aside:

wonder what happened to young Lilly after her mother's murder? Or after 1871, come to that.
There's no mention of her in the link re the murder above - only a baby boy born 1876. Possibly this one:
Births Jun 1876
Staunton Thomas Henry Lambeth 1d 521
Wonder what happened to him?

Can't even find Lilly's birth, unless Lilly was a "pet" name for something else - Elizabeth, perhaps.

I know it's nothing to do with Eleanor, Tessa - just appeals to my detective instincts!

Wow just open the thread I have put on here thank you everybody for taking such an interest think I have opened a can of worms my cousin and I will sit down and go through all this but if anyone comes across Eleanor's death anywhere in the world or her divorce from De casabianca that is what I would like to find will come back later thanks

Marriages Jun 1844 (>99%)
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NEWLAND Susanna Stepney 2 431
Tinnoth John Stepney 2 431

Marriages Jun 1879 (>99%)
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Bridges Kate Holborn 1b 981
MOLES Jane Holborn 1b 981

Burial
First name(s): John
Last name: TINNOTH
Date of burial 28 May 1890
Age at death: 79
Calculated year of birth: 1811
Place of burial Lambourne
Dedication: St Mary & All Saints
County: Essex
Lambourne St Mary & All Saints

Burial
First name(s): Susannah
Last name: TINNOTH
Date of burial 23 Dec 1872
Age at death: 83
Calculated year of birth: 1789
Place of burial Lambourne
Dedication: St Mary & All Saints
County: Essex
Lambourne St Mary & All Saints

(was baffling over that 1871 surname earlier, sorted it with above!)

Chris :)

1871 (FMP)
???, John Head M 60 1811 Essex (Proprietor of Houses)
???, Susanna Wife F 81 1790 Essex
MANN, Ann Cousin F 71 1800 Middlesex
BENBOW, Ann Servant F 17 1854 Essex
Piece: 1643
Folio: 147
Page: 35
Registration District: Ongar
Civil Parish: Lambourne
Municipal Borough:
Address: Cottage, Lambourne
County: Essex

1871 (FMP)
HOWARD, William G Grandson M 6 1865 Middlesex (Earl of Wicklow)
HOWARD, Ellen Mother Of Above F 29 1842 Sussex
RICHARDSON, Harriet Wife's Daughter F 28 1843 Sussex
RICHARDSON, Lilly Granddaughter F 3 1868 Lancashire
REED, Sarah Servant F 15 1856 Essex
BUTTERFIELD, Harriet Wife F 55 1816 Sussex
Piece: 1643
Folio: 147
Page: 35
Registration District: Ongar
Civil Parish: Lambourne
Municipal Borough:
Address: Abridge, Lambourne
County: Essex


http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/#

(not sure if anything Earl relating on above, click arrow, to Search our records)

1891,

Text is pretty bad,

AN IRISH PEERAGE CASE.
The Queen'a Bench Division, Dublin, on May
14 had before them ?. proposed action by which
it is sought to recover the eatntes appertaining
to the Earldom of Wieklow, preliminary to oo
serting a claim to the title. Tbf- plaintiff in the
proposed action is a Mr. William George
Howard, who liven in Frrsnce nt Asmieron, de
partment of the Seine. By his r-'nim bp would
be a»ep- nephew to the prpaeDt Earl, '^ho sue
ceeded hia full brother ; and would bo the son
of fcho presnnt Earl'a eldept ntep-brother, long
deceased. Tbe Conrt granted the application to
join numerous coughs of action, including the
appointment of a. recover over tho estates. The
case is likely to be heard of in the Hou^e of
Lords. The brother of tbe pvefienfc Earl nne
ceedod to tbe title under a decision of tho Houso
of Lords in 18GS).

Harriet Suter, Ellen's mother married a Butterfield, so it maybe her with the age out??

Reference the William G Howard Claim to his Earldom in 1892,


A Claimant to the Earldom of
Wicklow.
The lawsuit in which Mr. William George
Howard seeks to oust his cousin from the
Howard estates in Wicklow and Donegal, on
the ground that he, not the cousin, is the true
Earl of Wicklow, is creating some sensation
in Ireland. If it goes on it is likely to be
one of the most elaborate and costly suits
ever prosecuted at the Four Courts. The
proceedings so far have only had regard to
the minor question whether the plaintiff
should be ordered to give security for costs.
In order not to be brought within the rule of
court whioh governs actions brought in
Irish courts of law by non-residence,
Mr. Howard says that he has severed
all .his business connections in France,
and that as soon as his furniture arrives
from Paris he will settle down in the house
which he has rented at Blackrock, near Dub-
lin. The plaintiff íb a tall and good-looking
young man, who speaks English rapidly and
with a very foreign accent. His self-posses-
sion, readiness, and sang-froid, when sub-
jected to a very severe croBB-examination as
to his antecedents and means, were very
remarkable. 'J hough bom in London, he haB
lived most of his life abroad, especially in
Paris, where he seemB to have had a good deal
of employment from different commercial
houses as a skilled accountant. His wife is a
French lady, who carries on a millinery busi-
ness in that city. He at first showed some
heat when he was asked questions about his
wife ; but as soon aB he understood that they
were rendered necessary by his position as
a litigant, he answered freely and frankly.
The lady, it seems, is to dispose of
her business at the earliest opportunity and
join her husband at Blackrock. When asked
what he intended to do in Ireland by way of
a profession, he said he would teach French
or become a journalist. Hie courage is all
the more remarkable inasmuch as the House
of Lords long Bince decided against that view
of the case which he desires to present.
Those proceedings, however, did not bind
him, for he was only five years old at the
time. He says, too, that some important
testimony will be forthcoming now which was
lacking then. The present Earl of Wicklow
is a minor. The estates attached to the
earldom are of great value ; and the family
j residence, Shelton Abbey, Arklow, is one of
the finest mansions in Ireland.

Re the 1871 posted above, the transcription on Ancestry is messed up, as so often. But so is the image, in this case - unless I'm missing something obvious, which could well be!

The first 4 names - John Tunrosh to Ann Benbow - are a different household.

The Howard household is:

William G and Ellen, as above. William's listed as grandson, but no grandparents listed in same household.
Harriet is listed as Daughter of wife on image (but her parents aren't listed in this household)
Sidly (Lilly? ) is grand-daughter on image. Harriet's daughter? Born Liverpool.
Sarah Reed is a domestic servant.
There's also a Harriet Butterfield, age 45, imbecile, born Brighton. Listed as "wife" on image - whose??

EDIT: Yes, you're right, BMD (below). Harriet Butterfield is Ellen & Harriet's mother. Nobody's listed as head of household.

A link to that story about Ellen's sister, mentioned by BatMansDaughter above, in case anyone wants to read it:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3Z3XzmHduXQC&pg=PA20&lpg=PA20&dq=louis+victor+de+casabianca&source=bl&ots=d_VwDwLN8h&sig=yfweGnczKFhxIVRDHQbQseh3uo0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5CMHU_T6G8Gv7Aa3uICIDw&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=louis%20victor%20de%20casabianca&f=false

Hi Reggie, I thought that maybe Ralph Clegg was the child used to try and claim the peerage, however Ralph Clegg is with his parents in 1871.

I've googled about William George Howard b 1864, it's seems that in 1892/3 he tried to claim his heritage again, apparently he had a accent ( presumably French) and was married to a French milliner. So I can only presume he was sent to France after 1871??

I feel sure Nellie Casabianca who marries Joseph Williams is Eleanor, who shows as Ellen in 1841,51,61 and 71. Can't see her in 1881.

We'll have to wait for the OP to come back, but I'm pleased it's not just me that is confused.

Also read that Ellen's sister was murdered in 1877 by her husband Louis Staunton, this happened in a Kent and Louis Victor De Casabianca was in Kent at the time and identified the body.

Not just you, BMD...........I fail to see any reason for Ralph Clegg - born to named parents in 1863 - having any connection whatsoever with this woman Eleanor.

I'm confused with you thinking that Ralph Clegg could have been the one regarding the peerage case. He's here with his "mother" ,

Historical Records
1871 England Census about William G Howard
Name: William G Howard
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Lambourne
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Ongar
Sub-registration district: Chipping Ongar
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 196
Piece: 1643
Folio: 147
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
John Tunrosh 60
Susanna Tunrosh 81
Ann Marne 71
Ann Benbew 17
William G Howard 6 image states Earl of Wicklow
Ellen Howard 29. Image states mother of above
Harriet Richardson 28
Sidly Richardson 3
Sarah Reed 15

Can you explain what you think the link is, thinking I might be being slow on the uptake here. :-D

I wonder???

All UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Results
UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Lady Williams
Name: Lady Williams
Birth Date: abt 1847
Age: 56
Port of Departure: Australia
Arrival Date: 24 May 1903
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Hobart
[Melbourne]
[Adelaide]
[Colombo]
[Plymouth]
Ship Name: Orontes
Search Ship Database: View the 'Orontes' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 115707

Travelling with Miss Williams aged 13

This is Louis Jnr coming back to the UK.

All UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Results
UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Reverend Louis De Cas
Name: Reverend Louis De Cas
Birth Date: abt 1873
Age: 40
Port of Departure: Sydney, Australia
Arrival Date: 27 Dec 1913
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Melbourne
[Adelaide]
[Colombo]
[Bombay]
[Plymouth]
Ship Name: Medina
Search Ship Database: View the 'Medina' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 131849

Travelling with wife Adela, children, Mary, Mabel, Louis and John (Alban)

thankyou for the info looks interesting will am trying to find living relatives now to see what happened to Eleanor Howard / De Casabianca and if she left a will i think that is the key to my family mystery. thanks Tessa

thankyou for the info looks interesting will am trying to find living relatives now to see what happened to Eleanor Howard / De Casabianca and if she left a will i think that is the key to my family mystery. thanks Tessa