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Could he have also been born in the Birmingham area rather than Birmingham its self?

Are you in touch with Anthony Jones who has Raymond Jones 1940 and Heather Jones who has Raymond French 1940 and two of his children born 1971/74 and Raymond Jones 1940.

Maryb.

Yes, I've been in contact with Heather. She says she doesn't know of a middle name.
Now if his mother went ourside Birmingham then I wouldn't know and there's no one who can tell us.

jansmith I was looking at that same marriage and death last night and they do seem quite like our situation

the only Jessie A Davis born 1899-1902 was Leeds Q2 1902 ... if she died in June 1948 after her 1948 birthday she would still only have been 46 rather than 47, but of course people registering deaths did not always know the exact age

Porkie Pie's suggestion that the 'short birth certificate' was the one in the name French makes perfect sense

It seems to me that since the death record does state a date of birth, the thing to do is apply for the certificate that seems to match and specify either the date of birth or the father's name

or as I said, just apply for it to see what it says, because we have to remember that even people's absolute certainty about facts doesn't always mean those facts are accurate :-)

since the registration district where the birth was registered also can't be known for sure, with the name and date of birth you could still apply for a certificate

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/most_customers_want_to_know.asp#OrderingCertificates4

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Thank you all so much.

I have just had word that the Raymond Jones born in the third quarter of 1940 in Birmingham is NOT our Ray, so perhaps the mother went 'back home' to have him, wherever that might be. I'm hoping that someone on Genes who is on Ray's mother's side will be looking for him.

We haven't come to a full stop, but it doesn't look so promising.

Dianne

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. FINALLY WE'VE FOUND 'OUR' RAYMOND. HE WASN'T BORN IN BIRMINGHAM AT ALL BUT IN WEDNESBURY. WE NOW HAVE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

NOW HIS MOTHER, ROSE ALICE BRIGGS, IS STILL A MYSTERY . I HAVE BEGUN A POST FOR HER. <3 :-D

linking to that thread for the info of anyone who would like to find it

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1338694

so he was the Raymond noted by Mike back at the beginning of this thread

I NOW HAVE A COPY OF RAYMOND'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN MY OWN HANDS AND I SEE THAT HE WAS INDEED BORN IN BIRMINGHAM, IN GREAT BARR, BUT HIS MOM REGISTERED HIM IN WEDNESBURY. WAS SHE VISITING FAMILY AT THE TIME? :-D

Great Barr comes under that registration district...or did

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/wednesbury.html

Thanks, Jax. That's good to know.

I think you researchers are wonderful. <3