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Kim Annette
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22 Feb 2014 20:52 |
Team. I cant locate William Caldwell after the 1891 census... I have looked for marriages and I think he married in Sept 1899 to either Jane Ann Nelson or Rebecca Parker in South Shields. I have checked 1901 and 1911 census using both names of the girls but are having no luck.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Kim
For Reference the 1891 Census
CALDWELL, Jacob Head Married M 43 1848 Glass Maker Gateshead, Co Durham VIEW CALDWELL, Margt Wife Married F 38 1853 Felling Co Durham VIEW CALDWELL, Ann Daughter Single F 16 1875 Gateshead, Co Durham VIEW CALDWELL, William Son M 14 1877 Glass Maker Gateshead, Co Durham VIEW CALDWELL, James Son M 11 1880 Scholar Gateshead, Co Durham VIEW CALDWELL, Jacob Son M 8 1883 Scholar Gateshead, Co Durham VIEW CALDWELL, George Son M 5 1886 Scholar Gateshead, Co Durham VIEW CALDWELL, Alexander Son M 3 1888 Scholar Gateshead, Co Durham VIEW CALDWELL, Margt Daughter F 2 1889 Gateshead, Co Durham VIEW :-D :-)
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Christine
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22 Feb 2014 20:58 |
Just a possible!
Marriages Dec 1896 CALDWELL William Gateshead 10a 1316 Hall Joseph Gateshead 10a 1316 Place Elizabeth Gateshead 10a 1316 Plaer Elizabeth Gateshead 10a 1316 WEIGHTMAN Isabella Gateshead 10a 1316
He is showing on the 1911 on GR but transcribed as Coldwell. Wife Isabella.
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Kim Annette
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22 Feb 2014 21:00 |
thanks Christine.. I will have a look at that....
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22 Feb 2014 21:04 |
William Caldwell, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 " Name: William Caldwell Birth Date: 1877 Birthplace: Age: 19 Spouse's Name: Isabella Weightman Spouse's Birth Date: 1877 Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: 19 Event Date: 03 Oct 1896 Event Place: Holy Trinity, Gateshead, Durham, England Father's Name: Jacob Caldwell Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Matthew Weightman Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Single Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Single Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00707-8 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1514579 Reference ID: it 1, p 233, no 466
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Christine
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22 Feb 2014 21:08 |
Looks like William was down the pub in 1901:
Street MANSFIELD STREET Parish GATESHEAD Town City County Durham Country ENGLAND Ecclesiastical District VENERABLE BEDE Enumeration District 60 Municipal Ward SOUTH EAST Parliamentary Borough GATESHEAD Registration District GATESHEAD Category Census, Land & Surveys Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Collections from Great Britain Person 1 First Name JANE ANN Last Name NEAT Birth Year 1882 Age 19 Birth Town GATESHEAD Birth County DURHAM Birth Place Relationship To Head of Household BOARDER Gender Female Occupation BOTTLE WASHER WINE & SPIRIT MACHINIST Condition SINGLE Archive Reference RG13 Folio 66 Page 38 Piece Number 4758 Person 2 First Name JANE Last Name WEIGHTMAN Birth Year 1844 Age 57 Birth Town GATESHEAD Birth County DURHAM Birth Place Relationship To Head of Household HEAD Gender Female Occupation CHARWOMAN Condition WIDOW Archive Reference RG13 Folio 66 Page 38 Piece Number 4758 Person 3 First Name ISABELLA Last Name CALDWELL Birth Year 1877 Age 24 Birth Town NEWCASTLE Birth County NORTHUMBERLAND Birth Place Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER Gender Female Occupation Condition MARRIED Archive Reference RG13 Folio 66 Page 38 Piece Number 4758 Person 4 First Name ELIZABETH Last Name CALDWELL Birth Year 1897 Age 4 Birth Town GATESHEAD Birth County DURHAM Birth Place Relationship To Head of Household GRAND DAUGHTER Gender Female Occupation Condition SINGLE Archive Reference RG13 Folio 66 Page 38 Piece Number 4758 Person 5 First Name WILLIAM Last Name CALDWELL Birth Year 1899 Age 2 Birth Town GATESHEAD Birth County DURHAM Birth Place Relationship To Head of Household GRAND SON Gender Male Occupation Condition SINGLE Archive Reference RG13 Folio 66 Page 38 Piece Number 4758 Person 6 First Name JAMES Last Name CALDWELL Birth Year 1901 Age 0 Birth Town GATESHEAD Birth County DURHAM Birth Place Relationship To Head of Household GRAND SON Gender Male Occupation Condition SINGLE Archive Reference RG13 Folio 66 Page 38 Piece Number 4758
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greyghost
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22 Feb 2014 21:09 |
Isabella, but not William in 1901
1901 census transcription details for: 93, Mansfield Street, Gateshead
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 4758 Folio: 66 Page: 38 Reg. District: Gateshead Sub District: Gateshead Parish: Gateshead Enum. District: 60 Ecclesiastical District: Venerable Bede City/Municipal Borough: Address: 93, Mansfield Street, Gateshead County: Durham Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born WEIGHTMAN, Jane Head Widow F 57 1844 Charwoman Gateshead, Durham CALDWELL, Isabella Daughter Married F 24 1877 Newcastle, Northumberland CALDWELL, Elizabeth Grand Daughter Single F 4 1897 Gateshead, Durham CALDWELL, William Grand Son Single M 2 1899 Gateshead, Durham CALDWELL, James Grand Son Single M 0 (5 MOS) 1901 Gateshead, Durham NEAT, Jane Ann Boarder Single F 19 1882 Bottle Washer Wine & Spirit Machinist Gateshead, Durham
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Kim Annette
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22 Feb 2014 21:11 |
I agree he must have been at the pub.. I found her in 1901 and them both together in 1911.... or maybe he came home a bit worse for wear so she put him in the gutter for the night..... :-D :-D :-D
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22 Feb 2014 21:14 |
Matthew Wightman, "England and Wales Census, 1881" Name: Matthew Wightman Age (Original): 47 Gender: Male Birth Year: 1834 Birthplace: Gateshead, Durham, England Relationship to Head of Household: Head Marital Status: Married Occupation: Engineman (Dri) Address: 6 Maple St Event Place: Elswick, Northumberland, England Disability: Record Type: Household GS Film number: 1342218 Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 5052 / 91 Page Number: 14 Household Gender Age Birthplace Head Matthew Wightman M 47 Gateshead, Durham, England Wife Jane Wightman F 37 Gateshead, Durham, England Daughter Hannah Wightman F 14 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Daughter Elizabeth Wightman F 11 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Daughter Jane Wightman F 7 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Son Matthew Wightman M 6 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Daughter Isabella Wightman F 4 Newcastle, Northumberland, England
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greyghost
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22 Feb 2014 21:16 |
The 1911 census referred to - the original shows as CAldwell, have put in a correction to FMP
It also says 3 children born to marriage and 3 still living. NO deaths shown!!!!!
1911 census transcription details for: 52 Frank Street Sunderland Road Gateshead
National Archive Reference: RG14PN30465 RG78PN1748B RD557 SD2 ED55 SN251 Reg. District: Gateshead Sub District: Gateshead Parish: Gateshead Enum. District: 55 Address: 52 Frank Street Sunderland Road Gateshead County: Durham Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born COLDWELL, William Head Married M 34 1877 Midle Foundry Labourer Gateshead Durham COLDWELL, Isabella Wife Married 14 years F 34 1877 Gateshead Durham COLDWELL, William Son M 13 1898 Gateshead Durham COLDWELL, James Son M 11 1900 Gateshead Durham COLDWELL, Kathleen Daughter F 4 1907 Gateshead Durham
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greyghost
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22 Feb 2014 21:21 |
Possibly the Elizabeth Caldwell shown on the 1901 census 1911 census transcription details for: 80 King Edward St Gateshead
National Archive Reference: RG14PN30464 RG78PN1748B RD557 SD2 ED54 SN189 Reg. District: Gateshead Sub District: Gateshead Parish: Gateshead Enum. District: 54 Address: 80 King Edward St Gateshead County: Durham Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born MASON, Charles Head Married M 46 1865 Machine Metal Moulding Newcastle Northumberland MASON, Hannah Wife Married21 years F 44 1867 London Middlesex MASON, Charles Son Single M 20 1891 Poulterer Gateshead Durham MASON, Albert Son Single M 15 1896 Metal Moulder Gateshead Durham MASON, Stephen Son Single M 10 1901 School Felling Durham CALDWELL, Elizabeth Visitor F 14 1897 Gateshead Durham
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Kim Annette
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22 Feb 2014 21:23 |
hmmm... stuart bit strange as Elizabeth is not on the 1911 census... just having a look into that now.... she may be working already and at another house..... no hang on 3 children no deaths.... 3 children on census... very odd....... :-S :-S :-S
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Kim Annette
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22 Feb 2014 21:34 |
I have found her visiting another family in 1911....
CALDWELL, Elizabeth
Address: 80 King Edward St Gateshead
MASON, Charles Head Married M 46 1865 Machine Metal Moulding Newcastle Northumberland VIEW MASON, Hannah Wife Married21 years F 44 1867 London Middlesex VIEW MASON, Charles Son Single M 20 1891 Poulterer Gateshead Durham VIEW MASON, Albert Son Single M 15 1896 Metal Moulder Gateshead Durham VIEW MASON, Stephen Son Single M 10 1901 School Felling Durham VIEW CALDWELL, Elizabeth Visitor F 14 1897 Gateshead Durham VIEW ...
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as usual thanks heaps guys... I tried to work it all out using all the hints and tips you all give.... and I still coulnt do it.... so big thank you's :-D
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greyghost
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22 Feb 2014 22:43 |
Kim, there would appear to be 4 children named to the couple, but only 3 admitted to on the 1911 census. Elizabeth would appear to be registered as a Caldwell from bmd's - Mar Qtr 1897 Gateshead 10A 937 (so a bit close for an October 1896 marriage). Perhaps they couldn't add up or just forgot Elizabeth as she wasn't in the house!!
1901 gives the following Elizabeth 1897 (Mar Qtr 1897) William 1899 (Jun Qtr 1898) James 1901 (Dec Qtr 1900)
1911 gives William 1898 James 1900 Kathleen 1907 (?? Kate Elizabeth Mar Qtr 1907 - died Gateshead 1986 b 6.1.1907) and Elizabeth elsewhere as per my 1911 post
which makes 4 children shown between both census but only 3 born to marriage on 1911 census as written on census form. ?????
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Kim Annette
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23 Feb 2014 08:15 |
Thanks Stuart... maybe the question of how many children was asked in an unusual way and they didn't understand it....
They were both 19 when married so maybe HAD to get married really quickly...
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Flip
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23 Feb 2014 09:12 |
Only 2 dependant children by the time he enlisted. Confirms wife, they married 3/10/1896. Children James dob 28/10/1900, and Kathleen 6/1/? (can't read the image).
Isabella named as nok. address 1 Back Reddell Street, Gateshead. He may not have been down the pub in 1901 - had served 2 years 4 months in Africa at some point - down as prior service, but no other details.
William Caldwell Estimated birth year:abt 1877 Age at enlistment:37 Birth Parish:Gateshead Birth County:Durham Document Year:1914 Regimental Number:799 Regiment Name:Yorkshire Regiment Number of Images:9
Added - possibly served in Boer War 1899-1902 which would explain his absence in 1901.
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Kim Annette
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23 Feb 2014 13:07 |
Thanks flip...but now for the stupid question. What is Nok???
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Christine
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23 Feb 2014 13:17 |
Next of Kin.
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Kim Annette
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23 Feb 2014 13:36 |
of course... I am a dumba**e :-D
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greyghost
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23 Feb 2014 14:13 |
Earlier Service for William - as referred to by Flip in her post .
British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription
First name(s): Wm Last name: CALDWELL Calculated year of birth: 1877 Parish of birth: Gateshead Town of birth: Gateshead County of birth: Durham Age at attestation: 24 years Attestation date: 12 February 1901 Attestation corps: Imperial Yeomanry Attestation soldier number: Discharge rank: Discharge corps: Discharge soldier number: The National Archives reference: WO128
William Caldwell age 24 years 1 month attested (signed on) to Imperial Yeomanry on 12th February 1901 at Newcastle-on-Tyne. His address at the time was Mansfield Street, Gateshead ( see family address 1901 census) and he says that he has resided out of his fathers house for over 3 years. Given the Service Number 29524. Can't read what his civilian trade is.
He is 5 feet 3 3/4 " tall and weighs 137 lbs, chest measures 371/2 ". Dark complexion, Grey eyes and Dark hair. He has vaccination marks and I presume tattoos - Friendship on Left arm. Faith Hope and Charity. Cross flags on Right arm and full name on Right hand. He is a Roman Catholic.
It is noted that he wishes to join the North Durham Company.
He joined as a Private and was discharged as a Private on 15th Sept. 1902. He agreed to allow his wife 3shillings and 6d a day!!!
He was serving at "Home" ie England 12.2.01 - 14.3.01 and then South Africa 15.3.01 - 8.9.02 and then home 9.9.02 -15.9.02 and discharge. Granted Queens South African Medal for service in SA 1901 and 1902
Wife noted as Isabella Caldwell of 93 Mansfield St, Gateshead. MArried 3.10.96 at Trinity Church, Gateshead, witnesses Elizabeth Ramsay and Thomas ?Troy
Children listed as Elizabeth b 3.4.98 Gateshead and William b 29.4.99 Gateshead, both baptised at Trinity Church.
(???? these would seem to be a year later than GRO suggests with no mention of James b 1900!)
Discharged from 5th Battalion Imperial Yeomanry 100th Company 15.9.1903 at Aldershot. Age 25 years 8 months, now only 5feet 3", chest same, same address as on attestation. Still can't read his trade - Ah, clearer down page - Cartman which would be same as per attestation.
Boer War 1899-1902 - Soldier details Name: Caldwell, William Rank: Private Soldier number: 29524 Unit: 100 Company (Northumberland) 5 battalion Imperial Yeomanry Notes: The Queen's South Africa (QSA) Medal Clasps: Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Transvaal, South Africa 1901, South Africa 1902 Age: Literary references: The National Archives WO128. Imperial Yeomanry, Soldiers' Documents, South African War.
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Flip
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23 Feb 2014 14:20 |
:-D :-D
Incidently, he was shot in the right leg - but there's no mention of a pension so I assume it wasn't too bad! He was Roman Catholic, 5ft 4in, 137 lbs, and fresh complexion brown eyes & hair.
I can't find a record of his earlier service though (on ancestry), maybe someone can find it on FMP, but to have served in Africa for over 2 years I would suspect the Boer War, the WW1 record does however state he served as a trooper with the 5th Imperial Yeomanry - but I'm not very clued up on military history.
ADDED: Sorry, but I see Stuart has already found the earlier service whilst I was checking and typing this!
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