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Thanks Mel :-D

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Henry Vine Gorse
Name: Henry Vine Gorse
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1897
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: Prestwich
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 300

Thanks Dea, and thanks for checking the plot too :-D

Thanks Mel

Yes, I thought the 1867 date was correct for Hannah but I couldn't see any burial records for her.

I'd found the christening of Henry ?ine Gorse but hadn't found his death. I'm really confused about his middle name. I haven't found him on the 1891 census yet, :-D

Manchester, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1985 about Samuel Edge
Name: Samuel Edge
Birth Year: abt 1823
Age: 28
Burial Date: 30 Mar 1851
Parish: Hulme, St George
Parish as it Appears: Halme, St Georges
Reference Number: GB127.M383/1/3/3

Died of Conumption.

Address 22 Chatham St, Hulme.

Hmmmmm

father: Thomas Gorse
mother: Esther
Name Henry Hine Gorse
Gender Male
Christening Date 16 Feb 1834
Christening Place CATHEDRAL,MANCHESTER,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date
Birthplace
Death Date
Name Note
Race
Father's Name Thomas Gorse
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's Name Esther
Mother's Birthplace
Mother's Age
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C09789-6
System Origin England-ODM
GS Film number 438172
Reference ID

The year of birth is'nt really right but it depends on who registered the death and whether they really knew how old he was.


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Henry Vine Gorse
Name: Henry Vine Gorse
Estimated birth year: abt 1841**************************
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1897
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: Prestwich
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 300

Hi Dea,

Hannah's hubby was definately Henry Vine Gorse.

Is this Henry's burial? - It looks a little young for him but the name matches:

Burial
10/05/1897 Henry V Gorse Philips Park Cemetery MConsecrated 43

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1897
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference

GORSE Henry Vine 56 Cheetham Manchester CHE/91/214

Unfortunately there is no Hannah mentioned as buried in the same plot but there must be some connection.

Dea x

Could this be Joseph and brother Thomas on the 1841?


1841 England Census about Joseph Naylor
Name: Joseph Naylor
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Liverpool
Hundred: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:


Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Islington
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 559
Book: 19
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Naylor 20
Thos Naylor 15********Porter

Can't make oput Joseph's occupation it just looks like Cl.

Do you think this could be Hannah's death?


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Hannah Gorse
Name: Hannah Gorse
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1867
Age at Death: 40
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 274

On her marriage to Henry Vine Gorse in 1855 her address is the same as his 9 Thomas St, Hulme.

Thanks He was a cotton waste dealer so that ties in,

I can't find Hannah on the 1851 census. Samuel Edge had died on the 27th of consumption and was buried on the 30th which was the time of the census. Also the 1851 census records for Hulme were badly damaged so the transcriptions aren't perfect. She should be living at 22 Chatham Street, Hulme, Lancashire, England

It looks as though Hannah died in 1867 although can't seem to find her burial records.

Second marriage has father Michael Naylor Waste Dealer not Master Dealer that Gins put.

On that marriage of Hannah to Samuel Edge under her fathers name has written Not Stated!!!!!!!!!

Witnesses were Robert and Elizabeth Williams.

Her address is Park St Hulme.

Samuel's address Devonshire St Hulme and father aslo an Engraver John Edge.

Found this first marriage after Gin's guidance. Looks like her name was mistranscribed

Name: Samuel Edge
Age: Full
Marriage Date: 21 Oct 1850
Parish: Manchester, St John
Parish as it Appears: Manchester
Father's Name: John Edge
Spouse's Name: Hannah Naylon
Reference Number: GB127.M403/6/3/23

Ahh so it's not him!

Thanks Gins and Mel for this :)

This seems to be the second marriage of the Cabinet Carver and it says his father is Samuel.


Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral) about Joseph Naylor
Name: Joseph Naylor WIDOWER*******
Age: 28
Birth Year: abt 1821
Marriage Date: 23 Sep 1849
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name: Samuel Naylor****************
Spouse's Name: Ann Weaver
Spouse's Age: 25
Spouse's Father's Name: John Weaver
Archive Roll: 717

Thanks, it does say married so there should be a marriage somewhere confirming his father hopefully

Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915


Name:Joseph Naylor

Birth Date:19 Aug 1821

Age:0

Baptism Date:23 Sep 1821

Parish:Manchester, St John

Parish as it Appears:
Manchester, St John

Father's Name:
Michael Naylor <<<<? Dealer

Mother's name:
Sarah Naylor

Reference Number:
GB127.M403/6/2/2