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Death
Name: O'KEEFFE, Gladys May
Registration district: Waltham Forest
County: London
Year of registration: 1988
Month of registration: December
Date of Birth:16 May 1908
Volume no: 15
Page no: 604
Reg no: 1288

Births Jun 1923 (>99%)
FOWLER Robert E J Chelsea 1a 578

Marriages Sep 1943 (>99%)
Fowler Robert E J Morris Fulham 1a 652
Morris Vera D Fowler Fulham 1a 652

Hi,
Sorry-been in and out.

From Ancestry-
London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

For 1950 at 15 Ackmar

Burman Liliam M
Burman William R
Hillier Edward J
Leeds Alan
Leeds Doris M
O'Keefe Gladys M
Fowler Robert E J
Fowler Vera D
...........
Deaths Dec 1956
Burman Lilian M 53 Fulham 5c 465

Best,
Maureen

Maureen, I'm actually stunned!...And hugely grateful! This is definitely them!
They did all live at 15 Ackmar Road with my dad. Can you confirm that is the case? If so, when and how?

Also, yes, I think that Gladys & Lil must have been the children of Edward and Annie!

This is THE biggest breakthrough that I have had where this is concerned!

Thank you so much!!! x :-D

Death
Name: FOWLER, Lilian Maud
Registration district: Bromley
County: Kent
Year of registration: 1984
Month of registration: July
Date of Birth:1 November 1902
Volume no: 11
Page no: 822
Reg no: 784

OOPS! Sorry-here's the 1911:
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
First Name LILIAN MAUD
Last Name FOWLER
Relationship DAUGHTER
Condition SINGLE
Gender Female
Year Of Birth 1903
Age 8
???? INVALID
Address 10 TERRACE GARDENS ST ALBANS ROAD WATFORD
Parish WATFORD URBAN
County Hertfordshire
Country ENGLAND
Where Born WATFORD
Archive Reference RG14
Piece Number 7704
Census Reference RG14PN7704 RG78PN380 RD140 SD2 ED6 SN144
Registration District WATFORD
Registration District Number 140
Sub District WATFORD
Enumeration District 6
SubDistrict Number 2
EDWARD JAMES FOWLER HEAD 1874 37 WATFORD
ANNIE ELIZABETH FOWLER WIFE 1867 44 CROYDON
?????GLADYS MAY FOWLER DAUGHTER 1905 6 PORTSMOUTH
.JOSEPH DRINKWATER VISITOR 1864 47 CROYDON
MARY DRINKWATER VISITOR 1865 46 GLOUSTER


I really dislike the new FMPast format!!!!!

Maureen

Just going to put this here in case my computer goes down again!

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about Gladys M Okeefe
Name: Gladys M Okeefe
Spouse Surname: Hillier (Edward J)
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1961
Registration district: Fulham
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 5c
Page Number: 1066
.......................
Marriages Jun 1940
Fowler Gladys M O'Keeffe Fulham 1a 925
O'Keeffe Henry J Fowler Fulham 1a 925
.............................................
Marriages Dec 1945
Burman William R Fowler Fulham 1a 819
Fowler Lilian M Burman Fulham 1a 819
.....................

Births Jun 1923
FOWLER Robert E J Fowler Chelsea 1a 578
.........................

The above were living at 15 Ackmar with your father.

I think MAYBE they were the daughters of Edward James FOWLER and Annie...both born in Watford Herts.


Maureen

Ok, this is helpful Reggie! Thank you.

From the looks of it there, Lily Hillier got married and died in '86. That's definitely not the Lily that I'm looking for! My Lily had polio, never married and died

I think that I have got the wrong Liliy & Gladys!

Ok, here is what I know:

From what my dad remembers:
Lily & Glad were referred to as granddads 'Stepsisters'.
They were roughly the same age as, or perhaps slightly older than my granddad ( he was born 1920).
My dad recalled their surname as Fowler.
Lily had Polio, she never married and died somewhere around 1960/65.
Glad married a man named Len Hillier (I couldn't find this, but I did find a Gladys Hillier, marrying a Leonard Denby, around the right sort of time, hence why I went with the assumption that perhaps her maiden name was Hillier and that's what my dad was recalling.
They had a younger brother called John Fowler as well.

The documented facts are few: It basically boils down to my granddads service record as discussed earlier, which has the following under next of kin -
Stepfather (Illegible first name) Fowler
37 Irene Road
Fulham.
That has been crossed out and replaced with -
Step sister Miss. L. Fowler
15 Ackmar Road
Fulham.

15 Ackmar Road, is where my granddad lived and where my dad was born.

I should just say, my granddads mum apparently 'gave him away to a family down the road'. Grandads mum was Matilda May Leeds. She did get married to a Frederick Rogers and had two other kids with him. Both of whom were also given away, Frederick Jnr. my dad remembers him and the other child, Phillip, we only discovered through this website, he went to Barnados (I've checked with Barnados and they have no record of my granddad).

I'm sorry this is so complex lol!



:-S

Death
Name: HARRIS, Lily Florence S
Registration district: Surrey South Eastern
County: Surrey
Year of registration: 1986
Month of registration: March
Date of Birth:7 October 1912
Volume no: 17
Page no: 1193
Reg no: 386

How does 'Miss' Fowler fit in with the BMD info?

Perhaps some kind person with Ancestry access will be willing to look at the ER's for 1937/8

Marriages Mar 1937 (>99%)
Harris Frederick H Hillier Southwark 1d 153
Hillier Lily F S Harris Southwark 1d 153

Births Dec 1912 (>99%)
HILLIER Lily F S Copson Southwark 1d 149
Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
Hillier Frederick G Copson Southwark 1d 116
Births Mar 1915 (>99%)
Hillier Gladys Copson Southwark 1d 131
Births Sep 1919 (>99%)
Hillier Cissie R Copson Southwark 1d 77
Births Sep 1921 (>99%)
Hillier Alfred G Copson Southwark 1d 95
Births Mar 1924 (>99%)
Hillier Joseph H Copson Southwark 1d 94

Thanks all!

Reggie: The 'Step sisters' were born with the surname Hillier (Mothers surname was Copson). The document I have, is part of my Grandads war records, it is a Statement of services and is a bit of an enigma in itself, as it is completely blank aside from stating my Grandads next of kin. Originally, it said 'Step father (Something illegible) Fowler, 37 Irene Road, Fulham'. This has been crossed out and replaced with 'Step sister, Miss. L. fowler, 15 Ackmar Road, Fulham'. She was Lily, my dad remembers her as 'Aunt Lil', he also remembers her sister 'Aunt Glad'.

Marie: I can't read the step fathers first name, as it has been crossed out :-(

Both: Yes! That's my grandad! His mum (Matilda May Leeds) did remarry, to a man named Frederick Rogers and they had two sons, Frederick and Philip. I can trace my family back from Matilda May, but what happened with my grandad remains a mystery. He was born in Milton Regis Workhouse, there was no father on his birth cert. The story always was, that his mum 'gave him away' to a family that lived down the road. Grandad died when my dad was 13, so I've had to work pretty hard to find out all the information so far. But I really want to know who took him in and why?

I've been able to piece things together so far, through my dad's memory. But I'm stuck with this. I wish I could see the 1921 census, now! Lol!

What was the FULL name of the step-father?

Births Jun 1920 (>99%)
Leeds Alan Leeds Milton 2a 2216

Is this by any chance your grandfather?

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Alan Leeds
Birth Date: abt 1921
Date of Registration: Mar 1965
Age at Death: 44
Registration district: Surrey Northern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 5g
Page: 499

Elliot, I think it's improbable that the family were at the same address in 1911 as they would have been in WW2.

Was a first name given for the stepfather?

Is it possible that your grandfather's mother may have remarried - I think that would be the more usual reason to have a stepfather. Who was Alan's father and when did he die?

So 1939-45....................a long time after 1911

You say the step-sisters were Hillier......so what is the connection with Fowler?

Hi Marie! :-)

It was WW2!

Hello Elliot - was this WW1 or WW2 records?