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I'm looking for relatives from the Tompkins family. Ive got as far as Richard Arthur born 04-01-1881 and married Alma Jane Rainsford can anyone enlighten me please Jo

Hi Joclyn

Can you give us a clue as to where this all happened :-)

Are you seeking ancestors or descendants of Richard Arthur please?

'as far as'...........in which direction?

As you have exact DOB, you must know the names of Richard's parents

????

Marriages Mar 1886 (>99%)
Rainsford Alma Jane Holborn 1b 702

Tompkins Richard Arthur Holborn 1b 702

To give some perspective:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Alma Jane Rainford [Alma Jane Rainsford]
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Age: 24
Spouse Name: Richard Arthur Tompkins - Carman
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Mar 1886
Parish: Clerkenwell St John
Borough: Islington
Father Name: James Rainford (deceased) - Fishing Tackle Maker
Spouse Father: Richard Tompkins (deceased) - Carman
Register Type: Parish Register

Neither previously married. Can't make out addresses.

Witnesses: Richard Tompkins & Sarah Cooke

ADDED:

Alma Jane's address looks like 10 Jerusalem Court and Richard's 27 Marchipold??? Street

Married at age 5?

I don't think so, somehow...................lol

Marriages Mar 1886 (>99%)
Rainsford Alma Jane Holborn 1b 702
Tompkins Richard Arthur Holborn 1b 702

Name: Richard Arthur Tompkins
[User-submitted-comment]
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 4 Feb 1880
Father's Name: Richard Arthur Tompkins
Mother's name: Alma Jane Tompkins
Parish or Poor Law Union: Clerkenwell St James
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers

??????????

1881 census

Person: TOMPKINS, Richard Address: 87, Compton Buildings, Clerkenwell

TOMPKINS, Richard Head Married M 69 1812 Carman
St Lukes, Middlesex VIEW
TOMPKINS, Sarah Wife Married F 69 1812
St Sepulchres, Middlesex VIEW
TOMPKINS, Richard Grand Son Single M 20 1861 Carman
St Sepulchres, Middlesex VIEW
THOMAS, William Lodger Single M 18 1863 No Employment
Clerkenwell, Middlesex

1871 census

Person: TOMPKINS, Richard Address: Clerkenwell Green, St James Clerkenwell

TOMPKINS, Richard Head M 59 1812 Middlesex VIEW
TOMPKINS, Sarah Wife F 58 1813 Middlesex VIEW
TOMPKINS, Letitia Daughter F 26 1845 Middlesex VIEW
TOMPKINS, Annie Daughter F 24 1847 Middlesex VIEW
TOMPKINS, James Son M 20 1851 Middlesex VIEW
-, Richard Grandson M 10 1861 Middlesex

1861 census

Person: TOMPKINS, Rich Address: 15, Seward Street, St Luke

TOMPKINS, Rich Head Married M 23 1838 Carman
Middlesex VIEW
TOMPKINS, Louisa Wife Married F 22 1839 Book Folder
Middlesex VIEW
TOMPKINS, Louisa F 3 1858
Middlesex VIEW
TOMPKINS, Richard M 1 1860
Middlesex

1871 census

Person: TOMPKINS, Richard Address: Hatton Wall, Saffron Hill, Hatton Garden & Ely Kents Liberty

TOMPKINS, Richard Head M 35 1836 London VIEW
TOMPKINS, Louisa Wife F 34 1837 London VIEW
TOMPKINS, Anne Daughter F 7 1864 London VIEW
TOMPKINS, Alice Daughter F 4 1867 London

Alma J Rainsford in household of Ann Rainsford, "England and Wales Census, 1871"
Name: Alma J Rainsford
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 9
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Clerkenwell, Middlesex
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Holborn
Sub-District: St James
Parish: Clerkenwell
County: London, Middlesex
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self Ann Rainsford F 42 Clerkenwell, Middlesex
Son James J Rainsford M 18 Clerkenwell, Middlesex
Daughter Alma J Rainsford F 9 Clerkenwell, Middlesex
Lodger Richard Rainsford M 47 Newcastle Upon Tyne

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Richard Arthur Tomkins
Name: Richard Arthur Tomkins
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1904
Registration district: Shoreditch
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 125
Records on Page:
Name
Helene Eberhardt
Josef Panck
Richard Arthur Tomkins
Rebecca Winfield -------------------------

Could make sense:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Richard Arthur Tomkins [Richard Arthur Tompkins] - Carman
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Age: 23
Spouse Name: Rebecca Winfield
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Feb 1904
Parish: Hoxton St John
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Richard Arthur Tomkins - Carman
Spouse Father: William Winfield - Carman.
Register Type: Parish Register

Neither previously married. Both give address as 50 Custance Street.

Witnesses: Alfred Edward Denney?? and Mary Jane Stanley and Harry Armitage.

So which Richard is being sought?

The one born 1881, or the one who married Rainsford?

the son of richard and alma


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Richard Arthur Tompkins
Name: Richard Arthur Tompkins
[User-submitted-comment]
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 4 Feb 1880
Father's Name: Richard Arthur Tompkins
Mother's name: Alma Jane Tompkins
Parish or Poor Law Union: Clerkenwell St James
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers

.............that birth doesn't tally with the poster's detailed info

Can't see that child in 1881

On the 1880 baptism that Rootgatherer (and Maddie) posted above the year is actually 1881 and has been mis-transcribed.

The child was born 4 Jan 1881, baptised 4 Feb.

Father a carman, address 26 Schoolhouse?? Yard

ADDED: Born 5 years before parent's marriage.

That clarifies things..............

.......but I still can't see him in 1881..........or his mother


Deaths Dec 1948 (>99%)
Tompkins Alma J 87 Shoreditch 5d 451