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Most of my family research is based on Scotland, and I have spent a small fortune on Scotlands People since I started my research in 2012, especially on my 2 main branches, the Wotherspoon's and Clusker's, it was ok when I was working - but since I retired I have had to cut back substantially.

Scotland can still get expensive - I bought 30 credits yesterday from Scotland's People but it's so easy to "spend" those credits without really thinking about it - all those 1911 census.........not many credits left now!!

greyghost - firstly I must apologise for not giving you credit as well as rootgatherer for providing details of Empson family on 1911 Census, I did not scroll all the way back through the thread when I made my post.

As to that Lawrence Edmund Empson - I am pretty sure that must be one of the 3 children who died. It looks like come pension day at the end of the month I may have to bite the bullet and purchase Hope's birth certificate from GRO.

This genealogy lark is proving to be quite expensive, how I wish English records would provide the same amount of information as Scottish records - it would make life so much easier.

Found it - another spelling. Does look like an M on the Register.

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
First name(s) LAWRENCE E
Last name EMPSOM
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1907
Age 2
Death quarter 1
Death year 1909
District SCULCOATES
District number -
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9D
Page 110
Entry number -
DOR -


Immediately underneath on the register is a Jessie Empson/m age 0
Sculcoates 9d 163

Is this one of the children who died pre 1911? Not finding him 1911 or in deaths though.

Lawrence Edmund Empson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 10 July 1906 St. Georges' Rd, Hull, York, England
residence: Hull, York, England
father: William Empson
mother: Mary Ann
Name Lawrence Edmund Empson
Gender Male
Christening Date 10 Jul 1906
Christening Place St. Georges' Rd, Hull, York, England
Birth Date
Birthplace
Death Date
Name Note
Race
Father's Name William Empson
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's Name Mary Ann
Mother's Birthplace
Mother's Age
Indexing Project (Batch) Number I03551-6
System Origin England-EASy
GS Film number 1895002
Reference ID

Part of the 1911 which I posted overleaf. William and Mary Ann married for 22 years so marriage around 1888. The one you have found is probable but you would need the birth certificate of one of the children to confirm mother's maiden name.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

Address 153 EDINBURGH ST HULL
Parish SCULCOATES
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (East riding)
Country ENGLAND
Birth Place YORKSHIRE HULL

Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth Birth Place
WILLIAM EMPSON HEAD 42 1869 YORKSHIRE HULL Contractor
MARY ANN EMPSON WIFE 40 1871 YORKSHIRE HULL
HOPE EMPSON DAUGHTER 21 1890 YORKSHIRE HULL At Home<<<<<<<<
GEORGE W EMPSON SON 19 1892 YORKSHIRE HULL Brass Moulders App
EARNST EMPSON SON 17 1894 YORKSHIRE HULL Brass Finishers App
JOHN T EMPSON SON 15 1896 YORKSHIRE HULL
ELSIE EMPSON DAUGHTER 7 1904 -

Parents married 22 years 8 children born 5 alive, 3 have died

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If it's the right bride then this is probably her in 1881

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First Name Last Name Relationship Condition Gender Age Year Of Birth Occupation Birth Place
JOHN ELLITSON HEAD MARRIED Male 35 1846 BRICKLAYER WALTHAM, ESSEX
ELIZ ANN ELLITSON WIFE MARRIED Female 30 1851 - NORTH SHILS, NORTHUMBERLAND
MARY ANN ELLITSON DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 11 1870 SCHOLAR HULL, YORKSHIRE
SARAH JANE ELLITSON DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 9 1872 SCHOLAR HULL, YORKSHIRE
ELIZTH G ELLITSON DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 8 1873 SCHOLAR HULL, YORKSHIRE
FLORANCE P ELLITSON DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 1 1880 - HULL, YORKSHIRE


Street ELIZAS TER WEST PARADE
Town -
Parish KINGSTON UPON HULL HOLY TRINITY AND ST MARY
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (East riding)
Country ENGLAND
Registration District HULL
Archive Reference RG11
Piece Number 4768
Folio 146
Page 28

Worked my way through the information for the Pick branch, now looking at the information from 1911 Census for the Empson branch which rootgatherer provided - and I am wondering, because I cannot find a mother's maiden name for Hope or any of the other Empson children, if this could be the marriage for Hope's parents :-S

First name MARY ANN
Last name ELLETSON
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1888
Potential spouse's name(s) WILLIAM EMPSON
Spouse's last name -
District HULL
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9D
Page 509

A big thank you to everyone for all your assistance with this, once again you have shown the true worth of this site and that is the valuable work done freely by those who volunteer their time and go out of their way to help others with their research.

I shall be working on all the information that you have provided and hopefully be adding, not just quite a few more individuals to my tree - but another branch.

Thank you all once again :-)

The child's surnames are consistently Pick but Henson/Empson here on the birth registration record is showing the mother's maiden name

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
Pick Arthur E Henson Sculcoates 9d 301
Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
Pick Lawrance W Henson Sculcoates 9d 355 name

Births Mar 1916 (>99%)
Pick Arthur J Empson Sculcoates 9d 313

On the 2 earlier births it shows Henson which we believe was wrongly heard and recorded or wrongly transcribed.

The later births in the name of Atkinson still show Empson as it should always be the mothers maiden name that is shown. The birth certificate should show mother as Empson formerly Pick

Hope and Arthur's children would have been 'Pick'.

Having said that, as their mother remarried to an Atkinson when they were quite young, they may or may not have then taken the name Atkinson from their new step-father.

Dea x

Thanks rootgatherer, greyghost, and Dea - a lot for me to digest there, and my poor eyesight does not help, so far my reading is that Hope Empson married Arthur Edwin Pick, and they had 3 children ???? - 8/05/1912, Lawrence - 13/09/1913, and Arthur 08/03/1916, and after Arthur was killed in 1916 - Hope then married a Joseph Atkinson in 1920, that said I am a bit confused as to the surnames of Hope & Arthur's 3 children i.e. was it Pick or Empson.

Wonder if the two children named Arthur used their middle names? This is the only possible death I can see for the first Arthur

Name: Arthur E Pick
Birth Date: abt 1913
Date of Registration: Mar 1924
Age at Death: 11
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 470

Looks pretty conclusive then that you have the correct birth. I suspect that the father registered the first two births and his accent was misheard or misunderstood. Probably Hope registered the third birth herself as Arthur was off giving his life for King and Country and probably never saw his third child.

rootgatherer & Dea - the only confirmation I have that Arthur Edwin Pick and Hope Empson were my Uncle Larry's parents is from his death certificate, his father is shown as being a plumber's labourer and was deceased at the time of Uncle Larry's death in 1949 as was his mother Hope my Uncle Larry was an artificer/engine fitter in the Royal Navy.

Third child from first marriage has mmn Empson

Name: Arthur J Pick
Mother's Maiden Surname: Empson
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1916
Registration district: Sculcoates
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 313



Name: Arthur John Pick
Birth Date: 8 Mar 1916
Date of Registration: Feb 1992
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Kings Lynn
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 10
Page: 1602

The 1916 birth has Empson, so looks like the surname was mis recorded/transcribed twice on the 1912 and 1913 birth registrations

Births Mar 1916 (>99%)
Pick Arthur J Empson Sculcoates 9d 313

Name: Hope Atkinson
Birth Date: abt 1889
Date of Registration: Dec 1927
Age at Death: 38
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 342


1911 to confirm the surname

Name: Hope Empson
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hull, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Sculcoates
County/Island: Yorkshire-East Riding
Country: England
Street address: 153 Edinburgh St Hull
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: At Home
Registration district: Sculcoates
Registration District Number: 521
Sub-registration district: Hessle
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Piece: 28629
Household Members:
Name Age
William Empson 42
Mary Ann Empson 40
Hope Empson 21
George Ws Empson 19
Earnst Empson 17
John T Empson 15
Elsie Empson 7

?? If that marriage is right, then those children have mmn Empson,

Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1920 (>99%)
Atkinson Joseph Pick Hull 9d 790 was to Hope Pick


Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
Atkinson Mary L Empson Hull 9d 578
Births Sep 1922 (>99%)
Atkinson Annie Empson Hull 9d 583
Births Sep 1924 (>99%)
Atkinson Louisa Empson Hull 9d 540
Births Mar 1926 (>99%)
Atkinson Joseph E Empson Hull 9d 505

Name: Arthur Edward Pick
Age at enlistment: 27
Birth County: Yorkshire
Regimental Number: 12656
Regiment Name: East Yorkshire Regiment
Number of Images: 12


Above was killed in action and looks like his wife remarried as records have her signature as Hope Atkinson when she received his war medals.


The image is very feint but looks like three children born 8/05/1912, 13/09/ 1913 and 08/03/1916



PICK, A E

Rank:
Private
Service No:
12656
Date of Death:
20/06/1916
Regiment/Service:
East Yorkshire Regiment

7th Bn.
Grave Reference
V. B. 3.
Cemetery
CITADEL NEW MILITARY CEMETERY, FRICOURT
Additional Information:



Name: Hope Pick
Spouse Surname: Atkinson, Joseph
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1920
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 790

Ancestry has part of his service records but they are very difficult to read.

It looks like Lawrence might have been born 13th September, 1913.

He had one older sibling born 18.5.12 and a younger one born 8.3.16 but the names are too feint to read.


British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 about Arthur Edward Pick
Name: Arthur Edward Pick
Age at enlistment: 27
Birth County: Yorkshire
Regimental Number: 12656
Regiment Name: East Yorkshire Regiment
Number of Images: 12

Dea x