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I agree, his sisters are all in Lancashire. I have Martha's sisters' names but they also remain in England.

Name: Sarah Lowe, Schofiled Street
Birth Year: abt 1859
Age: 23
Marriage Date: 4 Mar 1882
Parish: Heywood, St Luke
Parish as it Appears: Heywood
Father's Name: William Lowe, Spindle Maker
Spouse's Name: George Fletcher
Spouse's Father's Name: Matthew Fletcher
Reference Number: GB127.L88/1/3/2


Witnesses Robert Frankland and Isabella Lowe

1911

Name: Sarah Fletcher
Age in 1911: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Failsworth
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 594 Oldham Road Manchester
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Prestwich
Registration District Number: 467
Sub-registration district: Failsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Piece: 24235
Household Members:
Name Age
George Fletcher 58
Sarah Fletcher 53
Alice Fletcher 18, b. manchester

Married 30 years, 7 children born 1 living and sadly 6 had died.



1901

Name: Isabella Frost
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: William H Frost
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Ashworth and Birtle cum Bamford
Ecclesiastical parish: Ashworth St James
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: Heywood
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3644
Folio: 39
Page Number: 1
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
William H Frost 38
Isabella Frost 37
Bertha Frost 12
Ethel Frost 8
Wilfred Frost 3


There doesn't seem to be any of William Henry Lowe's sisters who emigrated.

Could it have been sister's of his wife who emigrated?

Elizabeth Ann Lowe's marriage to William Wall is posted on the thread.

I don't see a death for William or a marriage as yet to George Hill.

Here is Elizabeth in 1911 but still looking for her in 1901.

Name: Elizabeth Ann Hill
Age in 1911: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Heywood
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 54 Manchester Rd Heywood
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Houshold Dutys
Registration district: Bury
Registration District Number: 462
Sub-registration district: Heywood
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 23506
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hill 57
Elizabeth Ann Hill 58
Annie Hill 28
Elizabeth Ann Hill 24
John Hill 23
Rowland Hill 13

Married 32 years, 5 children born and 5 living.


~~~~~~. To Maureen. Hope you are well x

Hi Maureen

I am sure you have cracked it!! Elizabeth Ann Lowe married William Wall and they had George. I have ssumed (never assume) as I cannot yet find evidence of death and marriage that William died and Elizabeth married George Hill and had Elizabeth named above.

In my tree I all ready have Elizabeth Ann Hill (known as Lizzie) marrying William Henry Lowe (brother of Sarah Hannah, my grandma). They were living in York but returned to Lancashire and married in Lancashire in 1912 in St John, Hopwood. (Lancashire BMD). According to an aunty they were cousins and this proves that they are.

Was that a guess and then you looked for proof that Elizabeth married George?Thank you so much.

I will now try to find if William (b 1858) did in fact go to North America with two married sisters. I now have their married names to go on,

Thank you so much to everyone who has contributed. The brick wall has been demolished.
Diane

Hi Diane,

I may be going down a path to nowhere and will need all the help I can get from others on here....nudge nudge...

The 1881 census with your Martha J and Eliz.A Wall;does anyone else think that Elizabeth Ann ends up with the other boarder-George HILL:
1891 England Census about George Hill
Name: George Hill
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Hill
Gender: Male
Where born: Hopwood, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Heywood
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:36 Byng
Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: Heywood
ED, institution, or vessel: 16a

Piece: 3134
Folio: 115
Page Number: 54
George Hill 37
Elizabeth Hill 38
George Hill 18
Thomas Hill 9
Hannah Hill 8
Elizabetha Hill 5
John Hill 3
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3134; Folio: 115; Page: 54

36 Byng was the address given by Isabella LOWE on her marriage to William Henry FROST.

Maureen

~~~~~to Mrs Union Jack Rootie :-D ;-)

Thanks heaps everyone for your help. Especially thanks to Union Jack person. You have found my grandma's baptism which I didn't have. In fact my cousin who started the family tree said grandma thought she wasn't baptised which worried her. Her middle name is wrong but it's definately her. A real find.

The name above "Qullulla" is a transcription error and should be Isabella. This is also another link with Isabella above b. 1864.

Any help with linking these families would be much appreciated.

Also Dea, I do transcribing for Lancashire OPC. If anyone has connections to Lancashire this is an interesting and rewarding project to get involved with.

Thanks again.
Diane

Pleasure to help Diane. I thought when I posted the Sarah Anna baptism that you probably already had it but it may help the helpers!

I do think that is your William Henry's family and that is his sister Elizabeth Ann boarding with Martha Jane.

As to the Union Jack, I may be a proud Scot but I certainly want to remain a citizen of the United Kingdom as my ancestors are Scots / Irish and many of my cousins, niece and nephew are English :-)

Hi Dea
I am a transcriber for Lancashire OPC. If any of you lovely helpful people have Lancashire connections this is an interesting and rewarding thing to do.

Also to Union Jack person - You have just found a missing piece of information with my grandma's baptism and I am very grateful. Her name was Sarah Hannah Lowe but her baptism was recorded as Sarah Anna, I don't know why but apparently she thought she was never baptised which bothered her. My cousin who started the family tree and told me this will be happy to have this information, We have never found her birth cert either.

Maureen - This info adds a bit more to my theory that the Lowe/Towers family could be mine as my grandma, Sarah Hannah, had a sister Isabella. This is spelt wrong (Qullulla) in the 1891 census found by Jan above. Thanks Jan.

I realise presuming anything is dangerous so if I can prove this family is correct the brick wall will be demolished.

I really appreciate all this help I am getting. It's amazing.

Diane

1851

Above William with his parents but I can't see him and Elizabeth in 1871

Name: William Wall
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Wall
Mother's name: Ann Wall
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 1ss
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 63
Piece: 2226
Folio: 622
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
John Wall 23, Slater
Ann Wall 23
Elizabeth Wall 4
William Wall 2
Mary Ann Wall 5
Ann Wale 18
Wm Harding 22
Elizabeth Ford 24
Emma Doggot 18
George Loyer 26
Joseph Matthews 18

This one is a bit confusing on the actual image. I think the registrar was pickled!

Name: Elizabeth Ann Lowe
Birth Year: abt 1851
Age: 19
Marriage Date: 12 Nov 1870
Parish: Ancoats, All Souls
Parish as it Appears: Manchester
Father's Name: William Lowe, Engineer
Spouse's Name: William Wall
Spouse's Father's Name: John Wall
Reference Number: GB127.M405/1/2/1

Witnesses Edward Ball and Eliza Ball. (Edit, that should be Eliza WALLnot Ball)

Elizabeth's address is 11 Cobden Street.


Could the above be the Elizabeth A Wall listed with Martha in 1881?

Has anyone been able to find William and Hannah or any of their children in 1871?

It looks as though there was an Isabella born about 1863, She's in Heywood with sister Sarah in 1881 (both boarders)...then a witness to Sarah's wedding.

Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 about Isabella Lowe
Name: Isabella Lowe
Birth Year: abt 1864
Age: 21
Marriage Date: 6 Dec 1885
Parish: Heywood, St Luke
Parish as it Appears: Heywood
Father's Name: William Lowe Occ: Soindle maker (later edit spindle..I really cannot type!)
Spouse's Name: William Henry Frost
Spouse's Father's Name: Joseph Frost
Reference Number: GB127.L88/1/3/2

Maureen

1861

Name: William H Lowe
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: 1858
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Lowe
Mother's name: Hannah Lowe
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester
Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 44
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Piece: 2935
Folio: 63
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
William Lowe 33 Labouer
Hannah Lowe 33
Elizabeth A Lowe 8
William H Lowe 3
Sarah Lowe 2
James Lowe 4



Name: Elizabeth Ann Lowe
Birth Date: 2 Mar 1853
Baptism Date: 4 Sep 1853
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name: William Lowe, Occ. Driller
Mother's name: Hannah Lowe
Archive Roll: 768

Name: Sarah Anna Lowe
Birth Date: 7 Apr 1878
Age: 0
Baptism Date: 28 Apr 1878
Parish: Pendleton, St Thomas
Parish as it Appears: Eccles, St Thomas
Father's Name: William Henry Lowe, Glassblower
Mother's name: Martha Jane Lowe
Reference Number: GB127.L186/1/2/5

could this be him in 1891?

Name:
Martha J Lowe
Age:
34
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1857
Relation:
Wife
Spouse's Name:
William H Lowe
Gender:
Female
Where born:
Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:
St Lawrence
Ecclesiastical parish:
St Lawrence
Town:
York
County/Island:
Yorkshire
Country:
England

Name:
William H Lowe
Age:
33
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1858
Relation:
Head
Spouse's Name:
Martha J Lowe
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:
St Lawrence
Ecclesiastical parish:
St Lawrence
Town:
York
County/Island:
Yorkshire
Country:
England
Household Members:

William H Lowe 33
Martha J Lowe 34
William H Lowe 10
Qullulla Lowe 7

I know you have the cert Diane so you would have this but I posted it for reference for those people trying to help.

I got the info from LancsOPC site - very useful for researching the Lancashire area.

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Dea Xxx

Thank you Dea. I have this info from the marriage cert. Henry Ashcroft was Martha's brother and Louisa was her married sister.

I note that this info is from a LDS film. How did you get this?

Thanks again

This gives witnesses to that marriage which 'may' be useful?

Marriage: 4 Aug 1877 St Michael, Hulme, Lancashire, England
William Henry Lowe - 20, Glass blower, Bachelor, 5 Hardman Street
Martha Jane Ashcroft - (X), 21, Spinster, 2 Hardman Street
Groom's Father: William Lowe, Iron Turner
Bride's Father: Henry Ashcroft, Spinner
Witness: William Harris; Louisa Worswick
Married by Banns by: J. N. Pocklington Rector
Register: Marriages 1864 -1879, Page 192, Entry 383
Source: LDS Film 2357336

Dea x

Hi Gins
Thank you for your patience. I don't seem to be explaining myself very well. If we forget the Lowe/Towers family. This is what I know:

Me - Diane Milner b. 1947 in York
My parents ; Herbert Milner and Winefred Humphrey of York
Father's parents : Thomas Milner and Sarah Hannah Lowe
Sarah's parents: William Henry Lowe b. 1858 in Lancashire died in York 1897 and Martha Jane Ashcroft
William's father: William Lowe, Iron turner (from marriage cert of William & Martha.
This is as far as I have got with the Lowes. I've got further back with the Ashcrofts.

There are a lot of William Lowe's born in Lancashire around the time mine would have been born so I have no way of determining which is mine.

Any suggestions as to where to go from here.

Thank you

Hi Diane

Maybe I am confused but...if you have traced back from your parents and have bought certificates, how could you not know if you have the right family?

Not a lot we can help with, unless you give us a start place, ie; your parents details?

Feel like I am going round in circles!

Thankyou. I have worked back from myself. I have the marriage cert of William Lowe and Martha Ashcroft, parents of Sarah Hannah and William's father is named as William Lowe, Iron turner. But this is where the trail goes cold as I have no other evidence for him. This name is common in Lancashire so I don't know which one is mine.

This is why I am wondering if the Lowe/Towers family could be mine. All I am going on is the approx date of birth of William, and Wm, his son ties in. Also the names of Hannah and Sarah are the names of my grandmother.

So I was hoping maybe someone related to this family could provide more info and either prove or disprove the relationship.

I don't think getting their marriage cert would prove anything and I wouldn't know which birth cert to get for Wm Lowe Snr. Any advice appreciated.