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OK.
When I say I have researched them well - not entirely true, but not for the want of trying!!
I found several siblings for Eliza whom it has been difficult to trace apart from baptism records - they may well have died of course.
Of those I do have, she isn't with them.
Might have to admit defeat on this one!
Thanks again for all the help, it's been an interesting journey.
Jan x

Hello Mel & Flip!
Many thanks for the continuing help Flip.
I have had a look for a Birmingham marriage for Eliza, using her father's name, but nothing obvious.
That's a good question about the siblings. I've researched them pretty well, but there are quite a few, so it might take a while to get back to you!
Jan x

Cheers Mel :-D

Wonder if she would have dared re-marry if she'd stayed local - she obviously wasn't a widow so not free to marry? Maybe just shacked up with someone - and left the son behind with grandparents? Like I said earlier, that would make her impossible to find unless she appeared with any of her siblings (or her son).

Jan have you traced the other siblings through the later census to see if she shows up?

Well spotted Flip.

Vincent married Drucilla.

That Eliza Banner married George Dapper 1/10/1842 at St Martins, Birmingham according to familysearch.org - but no fathers named.

EDIT: no wrong marriage, her father was Daniel Banner according to ancestry so not the right one.

I wonder if Eliza married again?? There is this marriage in 1842 but loads of other peeps married the same day.


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Eliza Banner
Name: Eliza Banner
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1842
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume Number: 16
Page Number: 427
Records on Page:
Name
Eliza Banner***********************
George Dapper
George Glover
Vincent Herbert
Drucilla Mounsey
Drucilla Mounsey
Susan Strickland
Joseph Walters
Hannah Wilkes

Could this be why William stayed with his grandparents??

Thanks again Flip.
The 1841 is very hard to read as you say - might need a bit more attention! But the glassblower link is well worth pursuing.
You are quite right about that 1861 census. William's cousin George is in fact my great-grandfather.
Jan x

It looks like William stuck to the name Street, I think this is him with Eliza's brother (who was on 1841 census with the parents)

William Street
Age:20
Estimated Birth Year:1841
Relation:Nephew
Gender:Male
Where born:Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish:Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish:Bishop Ryder
Town:Birmingham
County/Island:Warwickshire
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district:Birmingham
Sub-registration district:St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel:16
Neighbors:
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Household schedule number:17
Piece:2155
Folio:82
Page Number:4
Household Members:
NameAge
William Eccleston 35
Susannah Eccleston 35
Mary A Eccleston 13
William S Eccleston 11
Sarah J Eccleston 8
George A Eccleston 5
Edwin Eccleston 2
William Street 20 (born Birmingham)

The image is virtually impossible to read, but the person listed above James is a glass blower, and I think James has ditto on the space for occupation:


James Banner
Age:20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender:Male
Where born:Staffordshire, England (not sure which box is ticked)
Civil Parish:Tutbury
Hundred:North Offlow
County/Island:Staffordshire
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
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Registration district:Burton upon Trent
Sub-registration district:Tutbury
Neighbors:
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Piece:976
Book:25
Folio:17
Page Number:27
Household Members:
NameAge
Fanny Hodgkinson 15
Ann Redfern 55
William Croxall 5
William Kosley 20
James Banner 20
John Staton 20
William Turner 35

Maybe there is a better copy of the image elsewhere.

If she'd died, he would have been free to marry - but didn't appear to do so, although he changed partners rather frequently. And who knows what happened between censuses - there may be even more ;-)

As she appears to leave her son behind with the grandparents, wonder if she was just living with someone and going by his name on later census - she was still very young so not impossible. But impossible to find!

Thanks Flip.
Quite a lad wasn't he! I have never seen someone with a different partner on every census before.
I wonder what happened to Eliza? I have had a bit of a search for her but no luck as yet. I did wonder if she might have died after the 1841 census, but I can't see anything which stands out. There are 3 deaths for Elizabeth (not Eliza) Street/Banner in Birmingham in that time period, nothing for Aston.
Jan

Going back to the 1861 census - the other children in case you're interested:

Ann Pricilla was born 17/12/1858, christened same day as Sarah, same parents
Harriet Emma borm 6/12/1855, christened 3/2/1856 - father James, glass blower and mother Louisa

i can't find any of his "marriages" either.

Yes I have just seen those.

I can't find a marriage for him to a Pricilla either.

Think he died in 1881. I looked for a probate but did'nt find one.

Me too.
Thanks so much for your help, quite a story you have unearthed!
Nighty-night, have a good rest, you deserve it.
Jan x

Tired now...........................

That rally is a co-incidence isn't it!

I am not sure he married any of these women except for Eliza. There are actually a couple of trees for him on Ancestry - as James Banner - I am not sure they know of Eliza Eccleston/James Street!

Jan

Born on 14th Feb 1861. Same day as my birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!quite a few years later though!

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Sarah Banner
Name: Sarah Banner
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 3 Jun 1861
Father's Name: James Banner********Glass Blower
Mother's name: Louisa Banner
Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark St Saviour
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

I can't find a marriage for James Banner and Louisa but Louisa died young.

OOOOoooooooo could be I'll go and have a look. :-D