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Please can someone see if they can find Giles abel on the 1841/51 census for Birmingham.

All I know about hims is that is that he was born about 1796 in Birmingham His parents were John Abel b 1764 and Sarah b 1769 .

I believe Giles died in 1851.

There is a possible marriage in Birmingham 1842 but I do not know who too.

Thanks for your help

Jane


Thanks for your help

Jane, was this the marriage?

Birmingham, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937
Name: Giles Abel - coal dealer
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 27 Dec 1842
Marriage Age: Full Age
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Martin, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: Phoebe Camwell
Spouse Gender: Female
Spouse Marriage Age: Full Age
Father: John Abel - Cloth Maker
Spouse's Father: Benjamin Darby - Farmer
Reference Number: DRO 34
Archive Roll: M116

Both were widowed and give address as Gt Hampton Street.

Witnesses look like Thomas Chambers and Mary Wall.

Thanks MarieCeleste.

I didnt realise they were widows so I will have to look into that.

I have got this information from my Uncles tree and I am now just starting to check it all out,.

Thanks for your help

Jane

Looks like the 1851 for them:

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
GILES ABEL HEAD MARRIED Male 55 1796 CHAIR MAKER BIRMINGHAM, WARWICKSHIRE
PHOEBE ABEL WIFE MARRIED Female 60 1791 CHAIR CANER BIRMINGHAM, WARWICKSHIRE

House name COURT 2ND HOUSE
Street GRAHAM STREET
Parish ALL SAINTS BIRMINGHAM
City or borough BIRMINGHAM
Ecclesiastical disctrict SAINT PAUL

Enumeration district 10 Series HO107 Piece number 2059 Folio 209 Page 4

Possible first marriage:

Birmingham, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937
Name: Giles Abel
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1817
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Philip, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: Ann Brown
Spouse Gender: Female
Reference Number: DRO 25
Archive Roll: M46

No occupation, address or parents on these early images.

Thank you for all your help MarieCeleste.

That looks like the right family.

all the best

Jane

A witness on that first marriage is called Baylis



Warwickshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1910


Name:John Abel

Spouse Name:Sarah Baylis

Marriage or Bann Date:
15 Feb 1783
[15 Feb 1785]

Event Type:Marriage

Parish:Bidford on Avon

Deaths Jun 1841 (>99%)
Abel Ann Birmingham 16 215


Deaths Dec 1858 (>99%)
Abel Phoebe Birmingham 6d 157

Thank you very much Gins

Its all falling into place. John and Sarah were his parents.

all the best

Please could I be cheeky and ask you to look up Giles' brother William born 1791 Birmingham. He married I believe Sarah Brough but I do not know when.

Thanks for your help

Jane

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Print household transcription Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
WILLIAM ABEL Male 50 1791 - Image Transcription
SARAH ABEL Female 40 1801 - Image Transcription
ELIZABETH ABEL Female 18 1823 - Image Transcription
SARAH ABEL Female 13 1828 - Image Transcription
SUSANNAH ABEL Female 11 1830 LEICESTERSHIRE Image Transcription
EMMA ABEL Female 5 1836 LEICESTERSHIRE Image Transcription
REBECCA ABEL Female 3 1838 LEICESTERSHIRE Image Transcription


the first four listed were not born in Leicestershire

have you tried using the LDS website to look for info about these people?

from the LDS site


Name: Sarah Abel
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 25 Sep 1828
Christening Place: SAINT PHILLIPS,BIRMINGHAM,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 09 Jul 1828
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Abel
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Sarah
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04179-7
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 813720, 813721

Thank you Ricochet for the 41 census and the death.
That shows they were in Leicestershire for a while. I didnt know that.

I will have to look into that further.

all the best
Jane

David Abel
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 4 April 1824
christening: 30 September 1824 SAINT PHILLIPS,BIRMINGHAM,WARWICK,ENGLAND
father: William Abel
mother: Sarah

And the LDS site is https://familysearch.org/search

Ricochet. Thank you for all your help.

I was just looking at the familysearch site. They have a lot of useful information on there. Although I do realise that you need to check everything out on that site.

Thanks

Jane

Jane,

The site used to be notorious for dubious information as the majority on there was 'submitted', with no reference of proof.

However, since they have made major changes most of the info is now extracted directly from parish records and sources quoted so is much more reliable.

As you say though, everything you find must be checked.

Dea x

I think the 1841 census is wrong. Sarah's surname was Brough and the Sarah in the 1841 was Fisher. That is according to the births for Emma and Susannah on the family search site.

All the best

jane

Where did you get the name BROUGH?

Thanks Reggie, Dea, MarieCeleste and Ricochet for helping me.

I think it was from parish records. I know it is that on my Uncles tree and I am in the process of checking everyting out.

I just tried to get on his tree but it is not working at the moment.

Jane