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Thanks Reggie.

I will make a note of the information you have kindly given me.

All the best

Jane

The child from 1851 census

Name: William Abel
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 16 Aug 1850
Christening Place: SAINT MARTIN,BIRMINGHAM,WARWICK,ENGLAND


Father's Name: David Abel

Mother's Name: Jane

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C06300-1
System Origin: England-ODM

Name: Jane Batchford
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 22 Apr 1827
Christening Place: TEWKESBURY,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND

Father's Name: William Batchford

Mother's Name: Elizabeth

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05487-2

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Name: David Abel

Spouse's Name: Jane Batchford

Event Date: 25 Dec 1852
Event Place: St. Andrew, Bordesley, Warwick, England
Father's Name: William Abel

Spouse's Father's Name: William Batchford

Marital Status: Single

Spouse's Marital Status: Single

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00729-0
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1545606
Reference ID: it 263, p 132, no 65

They lied about being married................

Marriages Dec 1852 (>99%)
Abel David Aston 6d 393
Batchford Jane Aston 6d 393


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
WILLIAM BATCHFORD Male 42 1799 GLOUCESTERSHIRE Image Transcription
ELIZABETH BATCHFORD Female 39 1802 - Image Transcription
JANE BATCHFORD Female 13 1828 GLOUCESTERSHIRE Image Transcription
LUCY BATCHFORD Female 8 1833 GLOUCESTERSHIRE Image Transcription
CHARLES BATCHFORD Male 3 1838 GLOUCESTERSHIRE Image Transcription

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
DAVID ABEL HEAD MARRIED Male 26 1825 SILVER PLATER BIRMINGHAM Image Transcription
JANE ABEL WIFE MARRIED Female 24 1827 SILVER PLATER WIFE TEWKESBURY, GLOUCESTERSHIRE Image Transcription
W DAVID ABEL SON UNMARRIED Male 15 1836 AT HOME BIRMINGHAM Image Transcription

Street HOUSES 3 COURT
Parish BIRMINGHAM
City or borough BIRMINGHAM


The son's age is - of course - incorrect, but the transcription is accurate

The 1841 posted on this page fits with baptisms posted on page one

Hi Chris

Thanks for that. That is looking good. I will add it to my notes. All the ages seem about right.

All the best

Jane

1841 census????








Piece: HO107/1140/6 Place: Birmingham -Warwickshire Enumeration District: 18
Civil Parish: B'ham Ladywood Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 48 Page: 14
Address: 1 Hathaways Building

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ABELL William M 44 Labourer Warwickshire
ABELL David M 16 Warwickshire
ABELL Sarah F 13 Warwickshire
ABELL Sarah F 41 Warwickshire

Thanks Reggie, Dea, MarieCeleste and Ricochet for helping me.

I think it was from parish records. I know it is that on my Uncles tree and I am in the process of checking everyting out.

I just tried to get on his tree but it is not working at the moment.

Jane

Where did you get the name BROUGH?

I think the 1841 census is wrong. Sarah's surname was Brough and the Sarah in the 1841 was Fisher. That is according to the births for Emma and Susannah on the family search site.

All the best

jane

Jane,

The site used to be notorious for dubious information as the majority on there was 'submitted', with no reference of proof.

However, since they have made major changes most of the info is now extracted directly from parish records and sources quoted so is much more reliable.

As you say though, everything you find must be checked.

Dea x

Ricochet. Thank you for all your help.

I was just looking at the familysearch site. They have a lot of useful information on there. Although I do realise that you need to check everything out on that site.

Thanks

Jane

And the LDS site is https://familysearch.org/search

David Abel
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 4 April 1824
christening: 30 September 1824 SAINT PHILLIPS,BIRMINGHAM,WARWICK,ENGLAND
father: William Abel
mother: Sarah

Thank you Ricochet for the 41 census and the death.
That shows they were in Leicestershire for a while. I didnt know that.

I will have to look into that further.

all the best
Jane

from the LDS site


Name: Sarah Abel
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 25 Sep 1828
Christening Place: SAINT PHILLIPS,BIRMINGHAM,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 09 Jul 1828
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Abel
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Sarah
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04179-7
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 813720, 813721

have you tried using the LDS website to look for info about these people?

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Print household transcription Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
WILLIAM ABEL Male 50 1791 - Image Transcription
SARAH ABEL Female 40 1801 - Image Transcription
ELIZABETH ABEL Female 18 1823 - Image Transcription
SARAH ABEL Female 13 1828 - Image Transcription
SUSANNAH ABEL Female 11 1830 LEICESTERSHIRE Image Transcription
EMMA ABEL Female 5 1836 LEICESTERSHIRE Image Transcription
REBECCA ABEL Female 3 1838 LEICESTERSHIRE Image Transcription


the first four listed were not born in Leicestershire

Thank you very much Gins

Its all falling into place. John and Sarah were his parents.

all the best

Please could I be cheeky and ask you to look up Giles' brother William born 1791 Birmingham. He married I believe Sarah Brough but I do not know when.

Thanks for your help

Jane