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Terence

Terence Report 16 Jun 2014 05:05

I am trying to find information regarding the Duncalf family..... William G Duncalf married Margaret E Lang in the fourth quarter of 1942 reg Wycombe 3a 4058 and, according to a newspaper article in the Westerrn Daily Press, Bristol, in "Births", they had a son in November 1942 at Spinfield Lodge, Marlow, Bucks.
I have found a Michael F Duncalf born in the fourth quarter of 1942 reg Wycombe 3a 2296. But....his mother's maiden name is listed as Rainey, and she seems to have married Albert C Green in the 2nd quarter of 1942 reg Aylesbury 3a 4261.
Can someone sort this out please, and possibly find how long the Duncalf's were in Spinfield Lodge?

Terence. (South Australia).

Gee

Gee Report 16 Jun 2014 06:21

Hi

Have you got the marriage certificate for the couple, Margaret may have been married previously and therefor her maiden name could be Rainey?

The marriage certificate will give you her status at the time of her marriage to William


Is this the marriage you refer to



England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005


Name:Irene L Green

Spouse Surname: Albert C Rainey

Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1942

Registration district:Aylesbury

Inferred County:Buckinghamshire

Volume Number:3a

Page Number:4261


Not the same women

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 16 Jun 2014 07:44

Name: William G Duncalf
Spouse Surname: Lang, Margaret E
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1941
Registration district: Wycombe
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 4058
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Jun 2014 07:59

Have you considered getting copy certs to ascertain facts?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Jun 2014 08:03

What is your connection to these people?

Do you know when and where WILLIAM was born?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Jun 2014 08:12

Possible scenario...............

Marriages Sep 1932 (>99%)

Lart John F V Rainey Eastbourne 2b 153
Rainey Margaret E Lart Eastbourne 2b 153

LART, JOHN FLOYER VINCENT

Rank: Captain
Service No: 231988
Date of Death: 05/01/1944
Age: 40
Regiment/Service: Royal Army Medical Corps
Grave Reference VII. F. 18.
Cemetery
CASSINO WAR CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of Charles Edmund and Amy Vincent Lart. M.B.

NOTE: NO reference to a wife!


Marriages Dec 1940 (>99%)

Lart Margaret E Long Depwade 4b 798
Long Frank H Lart Depwade 4b 798

LONG, FRANK HUGH

Rank: Flight Lieutenant
Trade: Pilot
Service No: 36190
Date of Death: 13/03/1941
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force 102 Sqdn.
Awards:
D F C
Grave Reference
Coll. grave 1-4.
Cemetery
DENEKAMP PROTESTANT CEMETERY (Overijssel, Netherlands)


Buy a copy of the 1941 marriage cert...............get factual info about the bride

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Jun 2014 08:16

Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
Rainey Margaret E Parsons Eastbourne 2b 110

Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%)
Parsons Irene F E Bedford 3b 718
Rainey Edward H Bedford 3b 718

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Jun 2014 08:21

To determine how long anyone lived at a given address would mean accessing the Electoral Register, which is not on line, and in any case does not exist for years of WW2, when none was taken.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Jun 2014 09:21

According to a newspaper report the Larts separated in 1936 and divorced in 1940.

If Terence explains his connection (seeing as there are possible implications for people still living) then I will send him full details.

Gee

Gee Report 16 Jun 2014 11:41

Margaret's parents also divorced in 1937

Divorce Court File: 5722. Appellant: Irene Frances Evelyn Rainey. Respondent: Edward Holmes Rainey. Type: Wife's ...


Immigration and census records show Edward to be a surgeon/medical practitioner

Terence

Terence Report 17 Jun 2014 06:03

Thank you Gins, rootgatherer, Reggie and Marie Celeste.
Initially it seemed a little confusing with Lart, Long and Lang, especially the last two. Are there two separate Margaret E's? As we know transcribers can get things wrong. The unfortunate loss of husbands during the war and remarriages can take time to sort out!
The reason for my query was that I am researching the history of Spinfield House/Lodge near Marlow, Bucks, as my grandmother's older sister Elizabeth Harriet Simmonds did 'service' there in 1901, when the Murray family owned the property. This has led me to search for the occupiers and changes to the building.
To answer your question Marie Celeste, I am only interested in the occupiers of Spinfield House. The earliest occupiers I have found so far are the Pearsons in the early 1800's. But I cannot find anything yet on Henry Rupert Hood-Barr and the fire in 1937/8.
We visited the rebuilt Spinfield House when we came over to the UK again in 2013.

Thank you again all of you.

Terence Meads (South Australia).

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 17 Jun 2014 11:34

Why didn't you say so?

I needn't have spent so much time looking for info you didn't want

And the sequence of events is very clear...................

Lang/Long is an easy - and obvious - mistrans.

To find info about the occupants in non-census years, you need the ER, which, as already stated, is not online

Get in touch with the relevant County Records Office, and ask what searches they are prepared to carry out - if any. They will no doubt charge for the service.


http://www.ancestor-search.info/CRO-Buckinghamshire.htm

..............fee based research service only provided in exceptional circumstances

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 17 Jun 2014 15:05

You wrote............

but....his mother's maiden name is listed as Rainey, and she seems to have married Albert C Green in the 2nd quarter of 1942 reg Aylesbury 3a 4261.

Where did that idea come from?

Terence

Terence Report 18 Jun 2014 02:38

Thank you for your reply 'Reggie', and my sincere apologies to you and others above, as I really appreciate the time you people do 'lookups' for us with less knowledge of where to search.
In my frustration I had 'Green' and "Rainey' the wrong way round.
As I have said, these people are not directly related to me but I have investigated the families of the occupiers of Spinfield House to add interest to the history of this building. Of course I am willing to exchange my research with anyone with the same interest.
Getting back to my original request, and which has been suggested, Margaret E Lang/Long must have been married before.
I have found one child so far......Michael F Duncalf, born November 1942, Wycombe 3a 2296. This is where I found his mothers maiden name of Rainey.

Again my apologies for misinformation to all of you.

Terence. (South Australia).

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Jun 2014 08:07

Terence, out of the names you have mentioned which are the ones who were occupiers of Spinfield House?

The British Newspaper Archives would probably be a good resource to try.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jun 2014 09:08

None of them, apart from MURRAY, who were the owners when Terence's distant relative was a servant.

The Duncalfs were in the LODGE, and as they were there during WW2, it's entirely possible that it had been requisitioned by the military.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jun 2014 09:10

Amazing what Google turns up!

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1335244

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jun 2014 09:13

for INFO

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert H Murray Head Married Male 74 1827 Magistrate Barrister Bath, Somersetshire Image Transcription
Elizabeth Murray Wife Married Female 73 1828 - Marylebone, London Image Transcription
Edith L Pemberton Daughter Married Female 48 1853 Living On Own Means Keston, Kent Image Transcription
Augusta E Hannay Daughter Widow Female 44 1857 Living On Own Means Byfleet, Surrey Image Transcription
Mary L E Leigh Daughter Married Female 42 1859 Living On Own Means Byfleet, Surrey Image Transcription
Henry Ronder Servant Single Male 42 1859 Butler Domestic Pendedeen, Cornwall Image Transcription
William S Bartlett Servant Single Male 24 1877 Footman Domestic Scrooby, Yorkshire Image Transcription
Henry Barber Servant Single Male 20 1881 Hall Boy Domestic Horningsham, Wiltshire Image Transcription
Lavinia Underwood Servant Single Female 30 1871 Cook Domestic Rygby (Erick), Warwickshire Image Transcription
Rebecca Shorter Servant Widow Female 55 1846 Ladies Maid Domestic Ipswich Swilland, Suffolk Image Transcription
Annie Tysard Servant Single Female 50 1851 Lady's Maid Domestic Alresford, Hampshire Image Transcription
Elizabeth Owen Servant Single Female 30 1871 Housemaid Domestic Towyn, Merionethshire Image Transcription
Kate Thompson Servant Single Female 24 1877 Kitchenmaid Domestic Paddington, London Image Transcription
Lily Newman Servant Single Female 23 1878 Housemaid Domestic Arbourfield, Berkshire Image Transcription
Elizabeth Simmonds Servant Single Female 18 1883 Scullery Maid Domestic Bisham, Berkshire Image Transcription


Street Spinfield
Parish Marlow Urban
Town -
County Buckinghamshire
Country England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jun 2014 09:21

"Henry Rupert Hood-Barr"

Nothing for the name anywhere on FMP or freebmd

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 18 Jun 2014 10:43

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C2144125

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C1064054

(Major Henry Rupert Hood Barrs)

Chris :)

Harold Gillies plastic surgery archives from WW1 Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) H R
Last name Hood Barrs
Age 29
Rank Captain
Regiment or corps Army Service Corps
Arrived overseas 23/09/14
Gillies number
Contingent British
Injury Accident U/lip injured chin
Category Military, armed forces & conflict