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thank you very much for all this information,it looks like the family am looking for
will let the person know then it's up to her what she does with it
I will use it myself as wasn't sure if her family tied in with my Widdowson family
but John and Thomas Widdowson are my ancestors
once again thank you

1921

Name: Thomas Widdowson
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 22
Birth Year: abt 1899
Birth Place: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father Birth Place: England
Mother Birth Place: England
Year of Immigration: 1905
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Province or Territory: Ontario
District: Lanark
District Number: 97
Sub-District: Pakenham (Township)
Sub-District Number: 34
City, Town or Village: Township of Pakenham
Street or Township: Pakenham
Municipality: Pakenham
Occupation: Bea Keeper
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Widdowson 22

Canadian Soldiers


Name: Thomas Widdowson
Residence: Brysonville, Quebec
Birth Date: 15 Jul 1898
Birth Location: Liverpool, England
Relative: Mr Alex Younie
Relationship: Friend
Regiment Number: 349480


Name: John Widdowson
Residence: Windser, Ontario
Birth Date: 1 Oct 1890
Birth Location: Liverpool, England
Relative: Mr John Widdowson living in Liverpool
Relationship: Father
Regiment Number: 213489

Name: John Widdowson
Birth Date: Oct 1891
Baptism Date: 28 Oct 1891
Parish: Toxteth, St Thomas
Father's Name: John Widdowson
Mother's name: Margaret Widdowson
Reference Number: 283 THM/2/4

Name: Elizabeth Widdowson
Birth Date: 25 Nov 1893
Baptism Date: 20 Dec 1893
Parish: Toxteth, St Thomas
Father's Name: John Widdowson
Mother's name: Margaret Widdowson
Reference Number: 283 THM/2/4


Name: Henry Widdowson
Baptism Date: 28 Nov 1900
Parish: Toxteth Park, St Gabriel
Father's Name: John Widdowson
Mother's name: Marggaretta Widdowson
Reference Number: 283 GAB/2/4


Name: Henry Frank Widdowson
Birth Date: 25 Dec 1887
Baptism Date: 11 Jan 1888
Parish: Toxteth, St Thomas
Father's Name: John Widdowson
Mother's name: Margaretta Widdowson
Reference Number: 283 THM/2/4


Name: Thomas Widdowson
Birth Date: 15 Jul 1897
Baptism Date: 8 Aug 1897
Parish: Liverpool, St Peter
Father's Name: John Widdowson
Mother's name: Margaret Widdowson
Reference Number: 283 PET/2/96


Name: Mary Ellen Widdowson
Birth Date: 20 Mar 1899
Baptism Date: 2 Apr 1899
Parish: Liverpool, St Peter
Father's Name: John Widdowson
Mother's name: Margaret Widdowson
Reference Number: 283 PET/2/97

Looks like Thomas was sent to Canada

Name: Thos Widdowson
Gender: Male
Age: 7
Birth Date: abt 1898
Departure Date: 9 Mar 1905
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Halifax, Canada
Ship Name: Tunisian
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Tunisian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Allan Line
Master: A G Braes


And maybe William too?

Name: W Widdowson
Gender: Male
Age: 9
Birth Date: abt 1896
Departure Date: 18 May 1905
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Tunisian
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Tunisian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Allan Line
Master: A G Braes


And wee Mary too?

Name: Mary Widdowson
Gender: Female
Age: 6
Birth Date: abt 1899
Departure Date: 18 May 1905
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Tunisian
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Tunisian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Allan Line
Master: A G Braes

1911

Poor wee Henry is in an Industrial School / Boys Home

Name: Henry Widdowson
Age in 1911: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Occupation: School
Registration district: Toxteth Park
Registration District Number: 454
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park North West
ED, institution, or vessel: 15-17
Piece: 22226

Name: Margaret Widdowson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Registration Year: 1904
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 36
Registration district: Toxteth Park
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 139

Maybe?

1901

Name: John Widdowson
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Margaret Widdowson
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration District: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 023
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3429
Folio: 67
Page Number: 37
Household schedule number: 218
Household Members:
Name Age
John Widdowson 34
Margaret Widdowson 35
Margaret Widdowson 11
John Widdowson 9
Elizabeth Widdowson 7
William Widdowson 5
Thomas Widdowson 3
Mary J Widdowson 2
Henry Widdowson 4/12

1871

Name: John Widdowson
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Widdowson
Mother's name: Elizabeth Widdowson
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 74
Piece: 3796
Folio: 150
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
John Widdowson 29, Bricklayer
Elizabeth Widdowson 29
Mary E Widdowson 10
Thos Widdowson 8
William Widdowson 6
Eliza E Widdowson 4
John Widdowson 2

Name: Mary E Widdowson
Birth Date: abt 1875
Date of Registration: Dec 1942
Age at Death: 67
Registration district: Liverpool South
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 171

Name: Mary Elizabeth Bailey
Birth Year: abt 1875
Age: 19
Marriage Date: 28 Mar 1894
Parish: Toxteth Park, St John the Baptist
Spouse's Name: Alexander Sim
Father's Name: Frederick James Bailey
Spouse Father's Name: Alexander Sim
Reference Number: 283 BAP/3/11

1891

Name: Mary E Bailey
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Frederick Bailey
Mother's name: Mary E Bailey
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2929
Folio: 141
Page Number: 51
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Bailey 36
Mary E Bailey 35
Mary E Bailey 15
Frederick J Bailey 11
Annie Bailey 9
Elyzabeth Holland 63
William Shaw 21
Richard G Holland 25

I may have found a possible marriage.


Name: John Henry Widdowson, Widower, Labourer
Birth Year: abt 1873
Age: 39
Marriage Date: 17 Mar 1912
Parish: Liverpool, St Peter
Spouse's Name: Mary Elizabeth Sim, Widow, aged 36
Father's Name: John Henry Widdowson, Bricklayer
Spouse Father's Name: Frederick Bailey, Labourer
Reference Number: 283 PET/3/125

I am closing this post as he person who asked for my help is not willing to buy marriage cert
thanks for all your help

I am closing this post as he person who asked for my help is not willing to buy marriage cert
thanks for all your help

I agree Reggie. In this case the birth certificate would be the way forward. I wonder if Florence knows when Derek was born? Derek may have been a middle name he was known by? Mr. Widdowson may have died in WW1 and Derek born illegitimately after his death and so registered in the mother's maiden surname.

Too many possibilities for any degree of accuracy!

I didn't for one moment imagine that that Bailey was connected, but there isn't another birth for the name until 1922

Certs are the ONLY sensible way to proceed

Name: Walter Widdowson
Spouse Surname: Mercer, Margaret
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1944
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 151
Find Spouse: Margaret Mercer

Name: Derek Oswald Bailey
Year: 1934
County or Borough: Wandsworth
Ward or Division/Constituency: Putney and Streatham
Street address: 6 Telford Avenue

Also there Flora Marion Bailey and Sibyl Marion Bailey


So this looks like the parents of Derek Oswald Bailey in 1911

Name: Flora Marion Bailey
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 58 Lancaster Road, West Norwood SE
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 1
Estimated Marriage Year: 1910
Registration district: Lambeth
Registration District Number: 25
Sub-registration district: Norwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Piece: 2130
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred George Bailey 45
Flora Marion Bailey 33
William George Bailey 19
Kathleen Bailey 18
Vera Eileen Bailey 14
Flora Rhoda Gotts 18
Sibyl Marion Bailey 1
Florence Fisher 17

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Births Jun 1911 (>99%)
Bailey Derek O Lambeth 1d 453


First name(s) DEREK OSWALD
Last name BAILEY
Gender Male
Birth day 6
Birth month 6
Birth year 1911
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1997
District MID DEVON
District number 4211
Entry number 267
County Devon
Country England

If you want facts, you need to buy at least one cert. Albert's birth cert will name both parents