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Erry61
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21 Jul 2014 21:28 |
Hi all Wondering if anyone could help me find 3 brothers which appear to have dissapeared after 1881 census this is what i have 1861 census Hawkedon,Suffolk James Webb aged 60 Joanna Webb aged 37 Albert Webb aged 2 1871 census Hawkedon,Suffolk James Webb aged 71 Joanna Webb aged 48 Albert aged 12,Frederick aged 8,Caroline aged 8,Ernest aged 5 Then 1881 they are in Benfieldside,Co.Durham. James had died earlier in the year,Caroline had married,Joanna was 58,Frederick was 19 and Ernest was 15. Then in 1886 Caroline dies in Tow Law,Co.Durham at Carolines home with her husband Joseph Robson.I have searched for Albert after 1871 no luck,Frederick and Ernest elude me aswell (they were not mentioned on Carolines death cert) Has anyone got anything else i can try.
David
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alviegal
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21 Jul 2014 21:35 |
1881 for ref.
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 7, Wood Street, Benfieldside, Lanchester, Durham, England Print household transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Joanna Webb Head Widow Female 58 1823 - Cavendish, Suffolk Image Transcription Frederick Webb Son Single Male 19 1862 Coal Miner Hawkirton, Suffolk Image Transcription Earnest Webb Son Single Male 15 1866 Coal Miner Labourer Hawkirton, Suffolk
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ArgyllGran
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21 Jul 2014 22:14 |
Maybe a possibility? He's a miner:
UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Fred Webb Name: Fred Webb Gender: Male Age: 33 Birth Date: abt 1861 Departure Date: 26 Sep 1894 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Destination Port: Philadelphia, USA Ship Name: Southwark Search Ship Database: Search the 'Southwark' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Master: Passow
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21 Jul 2014 22:24 |
This looks like the US arrival for that record above:
Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1948
Name: Frederick Webb Arrival Date: 6 Oct 1894 Age: 33 Years Estimated birth year: abt 1861 Gender: Male Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Ship Name: Southwark Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Friend's Name: Watson Bek Last Residence: Cousett - Consett?
He's a miner, states American nationality and returning to Scranton, PA. States married.
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ArgyllGran
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21 Jul 2014 22:30 |
Ah, well, back to the drawing board!
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21 Jul 2014 22:46 |
Name: Albert Webb Event Type: Census Event Date: 1871 Gender: Male Age: 12 Relationship to Head of Household: Son Birthplace: Hawkedon, Suffolk Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Sudbury Sub-District: Hartest Parish: Hawkedon County: Suffolk Household Role Gender Age Birthplace James Webb Self M 71 Hawkedon, Suffolk Joanna Webb Wife F 48 Cavendish, Suffolk Albert Webb Son M 12 Hawkedon, Suffolk Frederick Webb Son M 9 Hawkedon, Suffolk Caroline Webb Daughter F 8 Hawkedon, Suffolk Ernest Webb Son M 5 Hawkedon, Suffolk
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Catherine
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22 Jul 2014 11:10 |
???? Name: Ernest Webb Event Type: Immigration Event Date: Mar 1905 Event Place: Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada Gender: Male Age: 38 Birth Year (Estimated): 1867 Birthplace: England Ship Name: Lake Manitoba Affiliate Film Number: T-506 Affiliate Publication Number: , Digital Folder Number: 004550504 , Image Number: 00511
Gives occupation as Clerk?
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Erry61
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22 Jul 2014 20:29 |
Thanks to everyone for help it seems they must have emigrated somewhere as Albert b 1859 Frederick b1862 Ernest b1866 are not appearing anywhere after 1881 census i found a marriage reference for Frederick in june1/4 1881 Lanchester,Co.Durham.same time as Caroline married Joseph Robson they appear in 1891 census Tow Law,Co.Durham
Thanks Again
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ArgyllGran
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22 Jul 2014 21:43 |
Which bride is Frederick's, David? And are you sure it's the right Frederick?
Marriages Jun 1881 (>99%) PATTINSON Isabella Lanchester 10a 426 POSTLE Sarah Isabella Lanchester 10a 426 RICHARDSON George Lanchester 10a 426 Webb Frederick Lanchester 10a 426
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Erry61
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23 Jul 2014 08:10 |
Not quite sure i searched census for a Sarah Webb and Isabella Webb but nothing turned up,everything is coming to dead ends
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ArgyllGran
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23 Jul 2014 10:38 |
I think Isabella Pattinson married that Frederick Webb - though of course we don't know if he's the right one.
This seems to be Sarah Isabella Postle:
1891 England Census about Sarah Isabella Richardson Name: Sarah Isabella Richardson Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: George Richardson Gender: Female Where born: Medomsley, Durham, England Civil Parish: Collierly and Pontop Ecclesiastical parish: Dipton St Johns Town: East Castle County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: Registration district: Lanchester Sub-registration district: Tanfield ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4088 Folio: 83 Page Number: 52 Household Members: Name Age George Richardson 29 Sarah Isabella Richardson 28 Albert Richardson 7 Alace Richardson 4 Ada Hannah Richardson 2 (sadly died 1893)
1901 England Census about Sarah Isab Richardson Name: Sarah Isab Richardson Age: 39 Estimated birth year: abt 1862 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: George Richardson Birth Place: Wingate, Durham, England Civil Parish: Winlaton Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Smailes County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Gateshead Sub-registration district: Winlaton ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4764 Folio: 66 Page Number: 23 Household schedule number: 134 Household Members: Name Age George Richardson 40 Sarah Isab Richardson 39 Albert Richardson 17 Alice Richardson 14 Fred Richardson 5 Florence E Richardson 1
Sarah Isabella's birthplace varies a bit, so she could well be Sarah Isabella Postle, here in 1881:
1881 England Census about Sarah J. Postle Name: Sarah J. Postle Age: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1862 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: Jonathan Postle Mother: Margaret D. Postle Gender: Female Where born: Westerton, Durham, England Civil Parish: Iveston County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: 482 and 483 Registration district: Lanchester Sub-registration district: Lanchester ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4948 Folio: 64 Page Number: 51 Household Members: Name Age Jonathan Postle 42 Margaret D. Postle 39 John Postle 21 Sarah J. Postle 19 (Should be Sarah I.) George Postle 16 Margaret Postle 12 Dorothy Postle 6
1871 England Census about John Roman Pringle Name: John Roman Pringle Age: 39 Estimated birth year: abt 1832 Relation: Brother Gender: Male Where born: Jarrow, Durham, England Civil Parish: Iveston Ecclesiastical parish: St Ives Town: Leadgate County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Durham Sub-registration district: Lanchester ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Household schedule number: 146 Piece: 4959 Folio: 80 Page Number: 30 Household Members: Name Age Jonathan Postle 32 Mgt Dorothy Postle 28 John Postle 11 Sarah Issabella Postle 9 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< George Postle 6 Margaret Postle 2 Richard Postle 1 Month John Roman Pringle 39 - brother (presumably brother-in-law)
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ArgyllGran
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23 Jul 2014 10:42 |
Following what might be this wild goose chase, this could be Isabella in 1881, living in same parish as Fred in 1881:
1881 England Census about Isabella Pattinson Name: Isabella Pattinson Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Relationship to Head: Step Daughter Mother: Anne Fowells Gender: Female Where born: Consett, Durham, England Civil Parish: Benfieldside County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: 55 Derwent St Black Hill Occupation: Dress Maker Registration district: Lanchester Sub-registration district: Lanchester ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4944 Folio: 80 Page Number: 76 Household Members: Name Age John Fowells 54 Anne Fowells 52 Eliza Fowells 9 Isabella Pattinson 18
1871 England Census about Isabella Pattinson Name: Isabella Pattinson Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Ann Pattinson Gender: Female Where born: Durham, England Civil Parish: Benfieldside Ecclesiastical parish: Benfieldside Town: Benfieldside or Black Hill County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Durham Sub-registration district: Lanchester ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 336 Piece: 4957 Folio: 75 Page Number: 76 Household Members: Name Age Ann Pattinson 43 Hannah Pattinson 13 William Pattinson 17 Elizabeth Pattinson 10 Isabella Pattinson 7 Jane Pattinson 2 (and three lodgers)
BUT still no sign of her or Fred in 1891 or later.
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Erry61
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23 Jul 2014 20:33 |
Thanks Argyllgran Benfieldside and Blackhill are in my part of the country the are about 2 miles apart it is more than likely this is wife i have checked Webb's births in Lanchester area fom 1881 till1891 usually children are named after family members but nothing shows up,same on Durham Records on line not many more avenues to explore i thought if i could find older brother Albert b1859 it might lead somewhere same as Ernest . There are no deaths of Ernest Webb or Frederick in bdm site. another mystery goes on
David
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Erry61
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23 Jul 2014 20:46 |
Been going over threads again wondering has anyone got access to USA census 1890 ,1900 for Scranton PA, this is a shot in the dark
Cheers everyone
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alviegal
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23 Jul 2014 21:27 |
Think this is what you wanted David. Don't know if it's any use to you. Birth is a few years out too.
1900 United States Federal Census about Frederick Webb Name: Frederick Webb Age: 36 Birth Date: May 1864 Birthplace: England Home in 1900: Scranton Ward 21, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania Race: White Gender: Male Immigration Year: 1887 Relation to Head of House: Boarder Marital Status: Single Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England Occupation: View on Image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Walter Bell 45 Mary Bell 39 William Bell 21 Watson Bell 14 John Bell 11 George Bell 8 Frederick Webb 36, coal miner
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ArgyllGran
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23 Jul 2014 21:51 |
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1910 United States Federal Census about Fredrick Webb Name: Fredrick Webb - coal miner [Frederick Webb] Age in 1910: 41 Birth Year: abt 1869 Birthplace: England Home in 1910: Scranton Ward 15, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania Race: White Gender: Male Immigration Year: 1885 Relation to Head of House: Head Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Anna Webb Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Fredrick Webb 41 Anna Webb 33
So either Anna's a second wife, or this is a different Frederick Webb.
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ArgyllGran
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23 Jul 2014 21:55 |
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Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1948 about Fred Webb Name: Fred Webb - labourer Arrival Date: 28 Feb 1883 Age: 23 Years Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Ship Name: Pennsylvania Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Last Residence: England Birthplace: England Microfilm Roll Number: T840_1
Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1948 about Frederick Webb Name: Frederick Webb - carpenter Arrival Date: 30 Mar 1887 Age: 25 Years Estimated birth year: abt 1862 Gender: Male Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Ship Name: Indiana Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Last Residence: England Birthplace: England Microfilm Roll Number: T840_8
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Erry61
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23 Jul 2014 22:37 |
Thank you to ALL in 1881 census Frederick was a miner it may have been him in 1883.
i think now i am just shooting in the dark,my great uncle b1912 died last year he was a 101 named Ernest, i asked him once what happened to them he could not remember sadly now there is nobody else to ask of that generation,but i will keep plugging away you never know.
David
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Erry61
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10 Jan 2019 22:29 |
New information update I have been told Fred married Isabella Pattinson in 1881 they had 4 children James b 1882 on the 1901 census and 1911 census in Swalwell area of Durham. Josephine b1885 John b1886 William b1888 Fred sailed to USA 26th Sept 1894 Then the other 3 children sailed out Dec 14th 1895 1891 census they cannot be found. Makes you wonde4 what happened perhaps some can look up
Thanks again to everyone for your help
David
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10 Jan 2019 23:32 |
not the census, but whilst looking around -
the marriage - Isabella PATTINSON here
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1881 (>99%) PATTINSON Isabella Lanchester 10a 426 POSTLE Sarah Isabella Lanchester 10a 426 RICHARDSON George Lanchester 10a 426 Webb Frederick Lanchester 10a 426
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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: WEBB, JAMES POTTISON Order GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in LANCHESTER Volume 10A Page 318 WEBB, JOSEPHINE PATTINSON Order GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in LANCHESTER Volume 10A Page 317
Not seeing a John or William with mmn Pattinson or variants
Possibly the birth of another child who died aged 1 - WEBB, ETHEL FLEDA PATTISON Order GRO Reference: 1883 D Quarter in LANCHESTER Volume 10A Page 311 Name: Age at Death (in years): WEBB, ETHEL FLEDA 1 Order GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter in LANCHESTER Volume 10A Page 165
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