Find Ancestors

Yes that seems to be a right summing up

;-) ;-)

if Annie put Henry as her father - she may well have used Henry/Harry Thompsons
first name -- as she didn't have a name for her father !!
Mavis

Hi,
I have been having another look through everyone's findings and think I can connect most of the findings together, I just hope I can make my message make sense.

choccy 15/08/14

Annie's school Cubitt town
DOB 18/08/1895
Parent Thomas.
living 46 Newcastle street

Choccy 15/08/14

1901 census
Annie is listed as adopted to Lydia Miller age 70
also on census
Lydia 70 Head
Thomas 48 Son
Sarah 30 daughter
Annie Adopted 6
Living at 46 Newcastle street same address as school I think Thomas (sarah brother enrolled her in school) Lydia obviously had issues with the fact sarah was an unmarried mum.
Flip was obviously on the right track 15/08/14

Mavis25/10/14
you found Sarah parents to be Lydia Nottingham and Thomas Miller the Lydia in the 1901 censes has got to be this lady.

1903 one year after Annie has left school, Sarah marries Harry Henry Thompson,

Mary25/10/14
Found a baptist records for Ethel Lydia Thompson, Sarah and Harry first born, living at 46 Newcastle street.

moving forward to the 1911 census
We find Annie in a catholic school working, ( i know she had issues with her step father left home)

1911 census Thompson
Sarah married 9 years
Ethel 8
Mary 6
John 4

live in the Cubitt town still at Stebondale street which i believe is not far from Newcastle street.

Elec rolls from 1930 show most of the family together
Sarah
Ethel
Harry
Mary
John
Thomas

Our relation recalls Harry, Mary, John and Thomas.

cant wait for the certificate to arrive, and Thank you all,
Mavis
Mary
Flip
Jacqueline
Ramberling rose
Choccy

xx

P.S I hope that all made sense.







:-D :-D :-D

that will be great to have up dates -- love to know if my thoughts
could be right and helped you along the way.

not been able to sort " Harry" out not sure if he is a Harry or Henry or quite what his age is -- but you should be able to once you get the marriage cert.

Mavis

Thank you Mavis
I will order the birth certificate as I know her birth is definitely 18 August 1895
I will also order Sarah and Harry wedding certificate.
Once received I will let you know.

Xx

Could have been what she was told or what she thought was her father
or just invented for respectability

Mavis

On Annie Kathleen's marriage cert 1920 it has her dad as Henry miller dec,d labourer.

Xx

they are the parents of Sarah Miller 1870/1871 Poplar she may have added
Lydia as a second Christian name

Lydia and Thomas Miller are both from Ilford Essex

Annie Kathleen Miller -- don't think she was a Muller -- more than likely the Illegitimate daughter of Sarah -- could be the birth I found earlier Kathleen Annie Miller but the only way to find out if it is Annie is to get a copy to see if the birthday date matches ?? but that's up to you.

Mavis

Sarah L Thompson death 75y June Q 1946 Poplar 1c 171

Mavis

I am going to order the marriage cert of Sarah and Harry to see if it confirms she was a widow.
Sorry Mavis, who is Iydia Nottingham = thomas Francis Miller.

Xx

Wow thank you for all your findings this is great I will confirm with my family but don't think our old uncle will be able to confirm much but your finds are great thank you again.

Xx

1930 elec roll 32 Sumner House - River street - Poplar

Ethel Lydia Thompson
John Henry Thompson
Harry Thompson
Mary Emily Thompson
Sarah Lydia Thompson
Thomas William Thompson

------------------------------

Thomas William Thompson = Sarah Cathleen in 1936
his birth1914 mth maiden name Millar .

Mavis

Ethel Lydia Thompson 4/7/1903 died 1970
baptised by Sarah lily and Harry Henry Thompson of 46 Newcastle street.

Maryb.

Found the marriage and on the 1911 Census

marriage
Sarah Lydia Miller - Harry Henry Thompson Mar Q 1903 Poplar 1c 772

1911
Name:
Sarah Thomson --- Lydia Miller's Daughter . indexed wrong is Thompson

Age in 1911:
41

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1870

Relation to Head:
Wife

Gender:
Female

Birth Place:
Poplar

Civil Parish:
Poplar

County/Island:
London

Country:
England

Street address:
2 Stebondale Street, Cubitt Town E -- they lived in Stebondale Street -- 1881- 1871

Marital Status:
Married

Years Married:
9

Estimated Marriage Year:
1902

Registration district:
Poplar

Registration District Number:
22

Sub registration district:
Poplar

ED, institution, or vessel:
25

Piece:
1741

Household Members:


Name

Age

Sarah Thomson 41
Ethel Thomson 8
Mary Thomson 6
John Thomson 4

we have John and Mary not looked to see if any more born after 1911

Lydia Nottingham = Thomas Francis Miller Sep Q 1853 Romford 4 a 95
the eldest son John was born John Nottingham Mar Q 1853 Romford 4 a 75

Mavis

So if Annie's mum was still alive 1945 then Lydia deffinately not her mum??
So we need a Miller/Thompson marriage after1901 is that correct?

Maryb

Hi,
Sorry it has been a while some of my elderly family have kept me busy,
I have spoken to my husbands cousin and he in turn has spoken to his dad to see if we can get more information on his mum and grandmother.

Annie Kathleen was born 18th Aug 1895
her Mother we still do not have a name for but he remembers visiting her when he was about 13 living in London and she was blind, this is about 1945.
back to Annie her father was German and died approximately when Annie was 6 yrs old, her mother remarried a man called Thompson, Annie told her son stories of looking after her half sister and brothers we are led to believe by the name of jack or john, Thomas, Sarah and Mary, Annie left home at a early age due to a over friendly step father..
It would also seem that a cousin that registered her death found evidence she was German unfortunately i do not know what this is, but they are sure his name was Muller and she change it to Miller. I think Choccy school admissions could be correct along with the death, and flip 1911 entry of her working at a catholic school when she was 17 could also be correct due to the issues with her step father. any other confirmation of the half brothers and sisters would be greatly appreciated, i have looked but with the changing names its so hard.
Thank you. xx

I don't think Lydia had any other children apart from Thomas & Sarah unless some died between census.

If she was Sarah's daughter why wouldn't she have been recorded as grand-daughter?

That could be Lydia's death, but the age is 5 years out as she has been recorded as born 1830-32 depending on which census you look at. But like you say if died in workhouse they may not have know her real age.

This could be Lydia Miller death ??

Lydia Miller 90y -- Jun Q 1915 -- Poplar -- 1c 630 a bit older but if she died in the workhouse perhaps age not known

if that birth above is Annie then she may well be Sarah's daughter unless
Lydia had other daughters

Mavis

Enjoy your working weekend ;-) ;-)

Annie was removed from the school Choccy posted on 25/8/1902 - stated was going to "mixed school" whatever that is, though I can't find another school registration.

I can't see a death for Lydia Miller.

Don't hold out too much hope for her grandson, it's a long time ago and maybe she didn't talk much of her previous life. I knew little about my maternal grandmother's dark secrets until I started doing family history :-D

And I sympathise, my OH does nothing but complain when I'm on the internet - even though he's watching footie, motor racing or any other crap he can find on the TV!

This may well be Annie's birth ????

Kathleen Annie Miller ---- Sep Q 1895 1b 571 -- Hackney

Mavis

I would like to thank you all for your help so far, but thought it right to tell you I have to go to work now so will be of line until Sunday, hope you all have a lovely weekend.

xx