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why oh why has Carol's post been RR'd????

she's a new poster ............. first post, and it's reported.

......you are all so wonderful....and I haven't answered your mail or thanked you for your help.Reason is I'm up tp my nose with an AWFUL cold,so haven't done anything much.....I think I'm ón the mend now'and will look into all your research very soon.You really are so kind and helpful,I'm sure this info is going to open some doors.Tell you what I did find out....a favourite brother of my mums ...Ted Rawlings....he was a favourite of mine too.....but he wasfrowned upon by some members of the family,as he was living with a lady and they produced children......and I found out that he had married Mary Godding in 1918!!!!Good on him(as the aussie's say!!!!I just bet he was laughing up his sleeve as he thought of all theóoing and arring'that went on!!!!Watch this space and I'll be in touch when me nose stops dripping on the keyboardso love to you all,Jacqueline,PricklyGritty and Root Gatherer....if I don't see you throughthe week...I'll see you through the window

Son Frederick M Poynton....


England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
about Frederick M Poynton Name:Frederick M Poynton
Spouse
Muriel B Collison
Or
Muriel B Overall
Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1947
Registration district:Ilkeston
Inferred County:Derbyshire
Volume Number:3a
Page Number:759

This indicates that Muriel had been married before.

She married in Australia......

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950?
Name: Muriel B Overall
Spouse: William C Collison

(According to a tree on Ancestry......she married William Chris Collison in 1935 Drummoyne, New South Wales.)

I am not seeing an Outward passenger list for her but an Incoming passenger list arriving back from Australia...


UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Muriel Overall Name:Muriel Overall
Birth Date:abt 1914
Age:33
Permanent Address in England...11 Graham Terrace, Ilkeson, Derbyshire
Port of Departure:Sydney, Australia
Arrival Date:22 Jan 1947
Port of Arrival:Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage:Sydney[Melbourne] [Colombo] [Suez]
Ship Name:Orbita Search Ship Database:
View the 'Orbita' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line:Pacific Steam Navigation Co
Official Number:137467

(She must have gone back at returned again if she married William C Collison in 1935)


Returning with husband Mr F M Poynton...age 30 S/S Aircraft Fitter
Last Address in UK: 193 Awsworth Road, Ilkeston, Derbyshire.


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
about Mrs M B Poynton Name:Mrs M B Poynton
Gender:Female
Age:37
Birth Date:abt 1914
Departure Date:14 Jun 1951
Port of Departure:London, England
Destination Port:Melbourne, Australia
Ship Name:Otranto
Search Ship Database:
Search the 'Otranto' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line:Orient Line
Official Number:146025
Master:R J Galpin

Tree on Ancestry had Muriel B Poynton's death.......

1990 in Baulkham Hills, New South Wales. Australia.

Frederick Melville Poyton's death...

April 9th 2012 Murdoch, Western Australia.

Daughter Phyllis........


England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
about Phyllis Poynton Name:Phyllis Poynton
Spouse Name: John B Flint
Date of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec 1950
Registration district:Ilkeston
Inferred County:Derbyshire
Volume Number:3a
Page Number:781



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Phyllis Flint Name:Phyllis Flint
Birth Date:29 Dec 1915
Date of Registration:Sep 2002
Age at Death:86
Registration district:Poole
Inferred County:Dorset
Register Number:B34E
District and Subdistrict:4311B
Entry Number:269

The only death I can find to tie in with Frederick's birth is this one.......


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Frederick Poynton Name:Frederick Poynton
Birth Date:25 Aug 1891
Date of Registration:Mar 1980
Age at Death:88
Registration district:Poole
Inferred County:Dorset
Volume:23
Page:0735



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Frederick Poynton Name:Frederick Poynton
Registration Year:1891
Registration Quarter:Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district:Ashby de la Zouch
Inferred County:Leicestershire
Volume:7a
Page:99

Which also ties in with.........


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Lucy Staniforth Name:Lucy Staniforth
Registration Year:1894
Registration Quarter:Apr-May-Jun
Registration district:Basford
Inferred County:Nottinghamshire
Volume:7b
Page:160



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Lucy Poynton Name:Lucy Poynton
Birth Date:1 Mar 1894
Date of Registration:Mar 1984
Age at Death:90
Registration district:Poole
Inferred County:Dorset
Volume:23
Page:764

Pamela


welcome to the site


I just have to say that I have actually been to Orbost :-)



We lived in Melbourne in 1975/76 ............ and took every opportunity to see every little bit of Victoria that we could at weekends.

That was in addition to taking a month to drive the Nullabor to Perth and back, and then another month to drive up to Cairns and back.


I only have a vague memory of Orbost .................. I shall have to go and find our photographs :-)

What a lovely story!.....I can see you too!!!!!

I don't know how to thank you....you probably won't hear from me for a week as I'll be trying to follow through on all the information if I find anything significant I'll let you know....also if I find anything I can't handle....,if you're reading this Jacqueline and Prickly....thank you both for your input,Love from us in Sale

Well......

Besides the fact that my Dad lived in a ground floor apartment........when I used to go and visit him, sometimes, if I was in a hurry, instead of walking all the way around the complex to his door, I would just knock on the window and hand him something I had cooked for him and have a quick chat.

So when I left I would always say.......If I don't see you through the week...... I will see you through the window. :-D

Sooo. I thought it quite apt to use on here........referring to my computer screen as my window.

I can see you!! lol :-D

As a joke I once put.........If I don't see you through the spring..........I will see you on the mattress.

Prickles. x

Pamela

Glad you found the info helpful.

When you get round to digesting it all, you might like to think about trying to contact the other members who have Frederick in their trees on this site

BTW, your father was only called Henry on his marriage cert. His birth was registered as Harry. It's on page one of this thread

Hello Holly.......no it's just a picture of me outside the funny little old post office in Orbost....doing a bit of research on a sailor/Methodist minister,who's a distant relative!It was a lovely day out! BTW..what does it mean....seeing you through the window? :_) love Pamx

Thank you for the message Pam.

After you have had a chance to sift through the information.......get back to us if you need more help.

I love your avatar. So pretty. Is it a painting?

Have a nice day.........Prickles. :-)

Dear Jacqueline and Holly........thank you so much for your help and information.....I'm pretty new to this game...but find it fascinating....my daughter Annie who lives in England started me off...and I'm really enjoying the challenge(perhaps keep the altzheimer bug away!!(I'm 81)...I.feel rather like an ancestor myself,any way I'll be looking into all the info tomorrow,and will let you know how I get on.You've made me feel so good about searching now that you've given me some guide lines,talk to you later with hopefully something to tell you.hope sometime I might be able to help you out...but I doubt it ,you sound so confident.BTW my dad was called Henry on his birth certificate....but every one called him "Harry''...and that was on his death certificate!!!thanks again Pamx

2 children...

Births Mar 1916 (>99%)
Poynton Phyllis Staniforth Basford 7b 411

Births Dec 1920 (>99%)
Poynton Frederick M Staniforth Basford 7b 429

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about Frederick Poynton Name:Frederick Poynton
Spouse Surname:Staniforth
Registration Year:1914
Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district:Basford
Inferred County:Nottinghamshire
Volume:7b
Page:331

Records on Page:

Fred Poynton
Frederick Poynton
Lucy Staniforth



British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
about Frederick Poynton Name:Frederick Poynton
Gender:Male (Occ: Coal Miner)
Birth Date:abt 1891
Birth Place:Boundary, Burton Leics
Marriage Date:14 Feb 1914
Marriage Place:Wesley Chapel South Christ Ilkeston
Age:23
Document Year:1914
Regimental Number:19925
Regiment Name:Notts and Derby (Sherwood Foresters) Regiment
Form Title:Short Service Attestation

Family Members

Relation to Soldier

Frederick Poynton Self (Head)
Lucy Stampith (Spinster) Spouse (Stanifirth on the image)

Next of Kin: Mrs Lucy Poynton...31 Graham Street, Ilkeston, Derby.

To try to redeem myself......

Frederick is in four GR trees

Oops!

Should have gone to Specsavers!

And an article - Nottingham Evening Post 10 December 1928 reads:

Deaths:
Mr Joseph Poynton the winner of several important walking matches in 1877-88, Uncle of Mr Fred Poynton, the English walking champion, died at Woodville, Burton on Trent in his 74th year.

Just reading Jacqueline's post again. Edward did have a son Fred. Here's that Fred living with his brother Edward in 1911


Name: Frederick Poynton
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Brother
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Blackfordby, Leicestershire, England
Civil Parish: Ilkeston
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: 19 Westwick St Ilkeston
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Coal Miner Loader Underground
Registration district: Basford
Registration District Number: 429
Sub-registration district: Ilkeston <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Piece: 20418
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Poynton 28
Eliza Poynton 31
Arthur Edward Poynton 4
Frederick Poynton 19

Here he is but no son Fred!

1891

Name: Robert Poynter
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Fanny Poynter
Gender: Male
Where born: Hartshorne, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Blackfordby
Ecclesiastical parish: Blackfordby
Town: Blackfordby
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Ashby De La Zouch
Sub-registration district: Hartshorn
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2509
Folio: 14
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Poynter 49
Fanny Poynter 49
William Poynter 20
Henrietta Poynter 11
Susan Poynter 1


So if Fred was your father's first cousin be may have been an illegitimate child of one of the girls?