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Many thanks for all this info its filled in a few queries I have in my tree


joyce

Looks like it as John Charles baptised same place.

Name: John Charles Bailey
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 13 Feb 1872
Baptism Place: Saint Faith,Havant,Hampshire,England
Father: John Bailey
Mother: Emma
FHL Film Number: 918886

Wonder if this is the christening of the George Frank who died?


Name: George Frederick Bailey
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 14 May 1874
Baptism Place: Saint Faith,Havant,Hampshire,England
Death Date: 25 May 1874
Father: John Bailey
Mother: Emma
FHL Film Number: 918886

Sorry, you said a female child so this will be her death. Sad that they didn't name the wee soul.

Name: Female Bailey
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Registration Year: 1871
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Havant
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 241

Name: Nellie Elizabeth Bailey
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Registration Year: 1881
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Havant
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 244


Maybe the child you have no name for?


Name: George Frank Bailey
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Registration Year: 1874
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Havant
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 251

Joyce, no you haven't made a mistake.

1881

Name: John Bailey
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Emma Bailey
Gender: Male
Where born: Canterbury, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Havant
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: 12 Clarendon Rd
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Parchment Maker
Registration district: Havant
Sub-registration district: Havant
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1137
Folio: 51
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bailey 32
Emma Bailey 30
John C. Bailey 9
Blanche Bailey 5
Alfred Bailey 3
Nellie Bailey 2 months

rootgatherer
I have three more children john charles b 1871( no name for daughter 1872 ) nellie eliz 1881

for john bailey b 1843 & emma couzens

is this there children or have I made a mistake

many thanks joyce

Take all the time you need, Joyce.

Jaqualine & Flip I am going through all your replies slowly as my eyes are going funny edmund b 1879 died in chile his name is on the war grave with alfred coward in kingston cemetory portsmouth thank you for all your help

joyce

rootgatherer

Thank you for all your help it is very kind of you

joyce

I have to say I didn't even consider that Mabel wasn't May L. lol!

Yes, I agree with the relationships, and think you are right with the birth - I couldn't find one for Maisey either, but hadn't looked that well.

I also think Mabel is a nickname, and she is the same person as May L - married right number of years etc. There's no way he was married twice, and then to have Percy in 1911 with the right mmn.

Thanks for sorting that one out, Flip.

It was a bit late when I was posting last night, and my thinking may not have been as clear as it should be.

I confess I didn't associate the death with the elder Edmund, as he married without a second name being recorded

So Joyce is a great-niece of Edmund snr, and a cousin (of some sort) to Percy.................do you concur?

There isn't any appropriate birth record for Maisie Mcdowell..................was she perhaps this child?

Births Mar 1906 (>99%)
McDowell May Emily Portsmouth 2b 458

If she was

Marriages Sep 1928 (>99%)
Coward Alfred W McDowell Portsmouth 2b 1275McDowell May E Coward Portsmouth 2b 1275

and

First name(s) MAY EMILY
Last name COWARD
Gender Female
Birth day 22
Birth month 12
Birth year 1905
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1996
District PORTSMOUTH
District number 4971E
Register number E49A
Entry number 107
Date of registration mm/yy 0496

According to national archives almost 100% of divorce files survived 1858-1927, but there's no sign of one for Edmund/May. If this is Edmund's birth - only one I can see couple of years either side (any area),

Births Dec 1879 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
McDowell Edmund Polglass Stoke D. 5b319

Then this could be his death:

Deaths Dec 1925 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
McDowell Edmund P 46 Portsmouth 2b689

Meaning the marriage posted by Jacqueline is likely for May, but would appear to be a different Edmund.

ADDED: I think the Edmund marrying in 1927 was the son of Alfred Ernest, Edmund snr's older brother.

Edmund only married once before 1911

But he married again later.........as indeed , it seems, did May


Marriages Mar 1929 (>99%)
McDowell May L Lutman Portsmouth 2b 813
Lutman Harry McDowell Portsmouth 2b 813


Marriages Sep 1927 (>99%)
Dumbrell Grace E McDowell Portsmouth 2b 1365
McDowell Edmund Dumbrell Portsea 2b 1365


May's death

LUTMAN MAY L 1885 1966 1966 Deaths & burials Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

But you know about Edmund's second marriage, because you are one of the six children it produced.

1901

Name: May Bailey
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Havant, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Portsmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Simon
Town: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Portsmouth
Sub-registration district: Kingston and East Southsea
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 990
Folio: 37
Page Number: 21
Household schedule number: 146
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Eliza Shirley Wheeler 71
Elizabeth Newdick 94
Helen Beresford Shirley Aspinall 65
Harry Shirley Newdick 57
Blanche Bailey 25
May Bailey 15


1891

Name: May Bailey
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Bailey
Mother's name: Emma Bailey
Gender: Female
Where born: Havant, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Havant
Ecclesiastical parish: St Faith
Town: Waterlooville
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Havant
Sub-registration district: Havant
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 851
Folio: 67
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bailey 48
Emma Bailey 41
Blanch Bailey 16
Alfred Bailey 14
May Bailey 6

Name: Edmund McDowell
Registration Year: 1905
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Portsmouth
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 667
Records on Page:
Name
May Louise Bailey
Louisa Sarah Curtis
Walter Henry Masters
Edmund McDowell

Hi
I have edmunds birth oct 1879 married to mabel I dont know her surname 1885 also may louise bailey 1905

Percy doesn't seem to have produced any male descendants, and he was, as far as I can see, the only male child of Edmund and his wife

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
14 Devizes Road Salisbury, New Sarum, Wiltshire, England

Print household transcription Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Edmund McDowell Head Married Male 28 1883 Devon Devonport Baker Journeyman Image Transcription
Mabel McDowell Wife Married Female 26 1885 Hants Havant - Image Transcription
Maisie McDowell Daughter Dau Female 5 1906 Hants Southsea - Image Transcription
Percy Reynolds Boarder Married Male 30 1881 Hants Havant Jobmaster Image Transcription
Blanche Reynolds Boarder Married Female 29 1882 Hants Havant - Image Transcription
Owen Reynolds Boarder - Male 8 1903 Hants Havant - Image Transcription
Reginald Reynolds Boarder - Male 5 1906 Hants Southsea - Image Transcription
Minnie Lush Visitor Single Female 16 1895 Hants Gosport - Image Transcription
Leslie Lush Boarder Single Female 16 1895 Wilts Salisbury -