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25 Aug 2014 12:31 |
I am trying to find the parents and siblings of my great grandmother, Mary Jane Teale born 1849, Dublin, Ireland. I tried unsuccessfully to do this by searching Irish births on Ancestry.co.uk. She married John Blackshaw Q4 1868 in Leeds, England and had 6 children, one of which was my maternal grandmother Lily Blackshaw b1886, Holbeck, Leeds. I cannot find census records of Mary Jane before her marriage or her birth record and would like to discover her Irish family roots. Please could anyone help? Many thanks :-)
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patchem
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25 Aug 2014 12:36 |
What was her father's name and occupation from the marriage certificate?
Thank-you
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25 Aug 2014 12:40 |
One of her siblings:
1871 England Census Mary Jane Blackshaw Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: John Blackshaw Gender: Female Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Leeds Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: Leeds County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Leeds Sub-registration district: South East Leeds ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 35 Piece: 4541 Folio: 46 Page Number: 7 John Blackshaw 21 Mary Jane Blackshaw 22 Emily Blackshaw 3 Months Arthur Seale 20 TEALE bro-in-law ship carpenter Ireland Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4541; Folio: 46; Page: 7; GSU roll: 847132.
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25 Aug 2014 12:44 |
Thanks patchem. Didn't know about Arthur. I don't have copy of Mary Jane's Marriage cert unfortunately to identify father.
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GlitterBaby
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25 Aug 2014 13:24 |
Marriage image is on Ancestry so will try and send a copy
Surname on image is TEALL
Father - Henry a shipwright
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25 Aug 2014 13:32 |
From http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
Name ALFRED EDWARD TEALL Date of Birth 11 January 1846 Address RINGSEND Father HENRY TEALL Mother JANE Further details in the record Father Occupation SHIP BUILDER About the record Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier 1 58 459 DU-CI-BA-147437 The church register page containing this record has not yet been imaged.
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Gritty
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25 Aug 2014 13:32 |
I think this is brother Arthur- actually James Arthur
1881Ladbroke Street, Hunslet, Yorkshire James A Teall Head Married Male 30 1851 Ship Carpenter Ireland Elizabeth E Teall Wife Married Female 21 1860 Hull, Yorkshire, England Arthur W Teall Son Single Male 0 1881 Leeds, Yorkshire, England
1891Lyndhurst Street, Leeds Arthur Teale Head Married Male 40 1851 Steam Crane Driver Ireland Elizabeth E Teale Wife Married Female 31 1860 Hull, Yorkshire, England Arthur W Teale Son Male 10 1881 Scholar Leeds, Yorkshire, England Lena Teale Daughter Female 7 1884 Scholar Beverley, Yorkshire, England Charles E Teale Son Male 4 1887 Hull, Yorkshire, England
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25 Aug 2014 13:32 |
Area - DUBLIN (COI) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. MATTHEW
Baptism of ELIZABETH TEALL of RINGSEND on 7 April 1844
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Name ELIZABETH TEALL Date of Birth 10 March 1844 Address RINGSEND Father HENRY TEALL Mother JANE Further details in the record Father Occupation SHIP BUILDER About the record Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier 1 53 407 DU-CI-BA-147386
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25 Aug 2014 13:34 |
This looks like Arthur in 1901:
1901 England Census James Arthur Teale Age: 49 Estimated birth year: abt 1852 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Elizabeth Ellen Teale Birth Place: Ireland Civil Parish: Leeds Ecclesiastical parish: Leeds St Mary Town: Leeds County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Occupation: possibly says Shipwright Registration district: Leeds Sub-registration district: North Leeds ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Piece: 4222 Folio: 112 Page Number: 16 Household schedule number: 105 James Arthur Teale 49 Elizabeth Ellen Teale 41 Arthur William Teale 20 Alfred Teale 18 Lena Teale 17 Charles Edward Teale 14 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4222; Folio: 112; Page: 16.
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Gritty
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25 Aug 2014 13:37 |
Marriage for her brother confirming Henry as father:
James Arthur Teall Gender: Male Age: 28 Birth Date: 1851 Marriage Date: 10 Aug 1879 Marriage Place: Drypool, York, England Father: Henry Teall Spouse: Elizabeth Ellen Dry FHL Film Number: 1702902 Reference ID: 149
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25 Aug 2014 13:38 |
1861 Class: RG 9; Piece: 3351; Folio: 4; Page: 2; GSU roll: 543118
No idea if relevant or not but Greenwood family has an Elizabeth Teall b1844 Dublin as a niece
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25 Aug 2014 13:41 |
They had triplets, who died, according to the information given on the image:
1911 England Census James Arthur Teall Age in 1911: 60 Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Dublin, Ireland Civil Parish: Leeds County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding Country: England Street address: 37 Ashton View Marital Status: Married Occupation: Boat Builder Registration district: Leeds Registration District Number: 500 Sub-registration district: North East Leeds ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Piece: 27109 James Arthur Teall 60 Elizabeth Ellen Teall 51 7 children, 4 living Arthur William 30 Lena Teall 27 Charles Edward Teall 24 Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 27109.
Added: ? Births Sep 1891 TEALL Ernest Leeds 9b 447 TEALL Fred Leeds 9b 446 TEALL Margaret Leeds 9b 447
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25 Aug 2014 13:41 |
http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Henry_Teall_(Ship_Builder)
Henry Teall (Ship Builder) of Leeds 1806 'Capital New-built Vessels. To be SOLD by AUCTION, By J. Borough, At the Old George Inn, in Briggate Leeds, on Monday the Fifteenth of September Inst at Six o’Clock in the Evening, TWO CAPITAL STAUNCH-BUILT SLOOPS, (the NILE, and the ACORN;) also, ONE HALF SHARE of the SLOOP Venus, built about a Year ago, and in most excellent Condition. The Vessels may be viewed any Time previous to the Sale, near the New Navigation Warehouse, in Water-Lane, Leeds; and further Particulars may be had of the Auctioneer, at his Office, in Kirkgate; of Mr. Henry Teall, of Leeds; or of Mr. Joseph Teall, near Wakefield.' [1] 1832 'HENRY TEALL, Timber Dealer, Boat Builder, Sworn Measurer, and Appraiser, sincerely thanks his Friends for all Favours, and begs to inform them and the Public, that be will, as Commission Agent, engage to value Woods or Vessels, and sell the same by Auction or Private Contract, as may be required. H.T. trusts that his long Experience in Business will be a sufficient Recommendation to secure the Favour of his Friends, as well as a Share of Public Patronage. He has on Sale ONE NEW SLOOP, Six Feet high, fit for the River or Coasting Trade; TWO KEELS, one Six Years old, the other aged ; and TWO OPEN BOATS, on the moderate terms. Dock Lodge, Leeds, December 29, 1831.' [2] 1841 Marriage announcement: 'Jan. 22, at Ford, Northumberland, Mr. H. Teall, of Dublin, son of Mr. Henry Teall, ship builder, of Leeds, to Jane, eldest daughter of Mr. Robert Fluker, of Berwick-on-Tweed.'[3] <<<<<<<<<< 1841 'SHIP CARPENTERS WANTED immediately. Inquire of Mr. Henry Teall, Ship Builder, Leeds, or Mr. Henry Teall, Jun., Brunswick Ship Yard, Dublin. Dublin, October 20th, 1841. [4] 1853 Death announcement: 'Leeds — On Sunday last, aged 76, Mr. Henry Teall, timber merchant and ship builder, of this town.' [5]
See Also There are no links to this page. Sources of Information ? Leeds Intelligencer, 15th September 1806 ? Leeds Intelligencer, 12th January 1832 ? Leeds Intelligencer, 6th February 1841 ? Leeds Mercury, 23rd October 1841 ? Leeds Intelligencer, Saturday 19th February 1853
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25 Aug 2014 13:43 |
http://irishwaterwayshistory.com/tag/henry-teall/
Googling Henry Teall brings up lots of interesting results, if you haven't already done so :-)
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25 Aug 2014 13:46 |
Not entirely sure what this is, but found on FMP irish records
Extract from census return of 1851 Transcription:
James Arthur Teall Applicant - - Henry Teall Father
Full name of applicant James Arthur Teall (2nd Apr 1851)
Relationship Applicant Address A W Teall, 37 Ashton View, Harehills, Leeds Country Ireland Record set Ireland Census search forms 1841 & 1851 Category Census, land & surveys Collections from Ireland
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John
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25 Aug 2014 13:50 |
Many thanks GlitterBaby and everyone for this, it's looking good. Was this a double wedding? I very much appreciate your kind help. If anything else comes up in the mean time I'd be grateful if you'd let me know. John :-D
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25 Aug 2014 13:57 |
As per names in my post of 13.41
Marriages Mar 1841 (>99%) FLUKER Jane Glendale 25 209
TEALL Henry Glendale 25 209
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25 Aug 2014 13:59 |
Henry Teall of Ringsend, Dublin
Son of Henry Teall (Senior)
1841 Started building ships at Brunswick Dockyard (Dublin).
1841 Marriage announcement: 'Jan. 22, at Ford, Northumberland, Mr. H. Teall, of Dublin, son of Mr. Henry Teall, ship builder, of Leeds, to Jane, eldest daughter of Mr. Robert Fluker, of Berwick-on-Tweed.'[1]
1846 Birth of son, Alfred Edward, 11th January [2]
1852: Hunt’s Universal Yacht List for 1852 includes 'Henry Teall, Ship Builder, Brunswick Dock Yard, Dublin. Established 1841.' The list includes seven yachts built by Teall, named Brilliant, Rover, Marina, Fairy Queen, Belle, Circe, Trio, from 8 to 60 tons. 'Marina' is described as being 'of novel construction, the bow being extended sufficiently to set the jib without the bowsprit, giving a much finer entrance as well as allowing more beam.'
1853 'Mr. Henry Teall, the eminent ship builder, has been appointed by the Board of Trade shipwright surveyor of steam vessels on the coast of Ireland from Dundalk to Wexford.'[3]
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John
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25 Aug 2014 14:00 |
How can we be sure about the spelling of Teale and Teall? Where did it change?
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25 Aug 2014 14:06 |
The enumerators of census will fill in what they 'hear' , and also be aware that the further back you go the less literate people were so spelling of a name can vary a lot.
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